emp bomb?

[willie]

hmmm...

[windwalker]

They've used it already with out using an EMP pluse.
Most military electronics are hardened against this type of weapon to a certain level.

There are also reports that the US used EMP weapons against Iraq during the Gulf War. Reportedly power went out to Baghdad, even though the power generator plant was not damaged. Our military equipment for the most part is protected from EMP, but something must be done to protect our critical infrastructure.

https://cyberarms.wordpress.com/2010/03 ... mp-attack/

In a prior post on EMP, I mentioned that an EMP weapon could have been used to take out Iraq’s power during the Gulf War. It appears that it may have been something much simpler. Meet the “Blackout Bomb”.

According to a 1999 Boston Globe article, “Blackout Led to Weapon that Darkened Serbia”, chaff (strips of metal military planes use to defend against missile attacks) was dropped mistakenly on a power station in Southern California. The result – the power station was disabled and Orange County’s power supply was disrupted.

This simple technique was turned into a cluster bomb and used first against Serbia on May 2nd 1999. F-117A Stealth Fighters dropped these weapons on Serbia power stations and the lights went out in over 70% of the country. The weapon was used again 5 days later to hinder Serbia’s attempt to restore power.

In the opening days of Desert Storm, modified tomahawk cruise missiles were used against Iraq. The warheads were made up of bomblets that contained spools of carbon fiber wire. The fine wire shorted out power plants and disabled 85% of Iraq’s electrical production capability.

How exactly does this attack work? According to the FAS Military Analysis Network:

The BLU-114/B detonates over its target and disperses huge numbers of fine carbon filaments, each far smaller than the crude wire spools used in the gulf war. The filaments are only a few hundredths of an inch thick and can float in the air like a dense cloud. When the carbon fiber filaments dispensed from the BLU-114/B submunition contact transformers and other high voltage equipment, a short circuit occurs and an arc is often created when the current flows through the fiber, which is vaporized.

The graphite, which is a conductor of electric current, is probably coated with other materials to enhance these effects. At the spot where the electric field is strongest, a discharge is initiated, and electrons rapidly form an ionized channel that conducts electricity. At this stage current can flow and an arc forms. This causes instantaneous local melting of a certain amount of the material at the surface of the two conductors.

If the current involved is strong enough, these arcs can cause injury or start a fire. Fires can also be started by overheated equipment or by conductors that carry too much current. Extremely high-energy arcs can cause an explosion that sends fragmented metal flying in all directions.

https://cyberarms.wordpress.com/2010/04 ... ower-grid/

[willie]

I'm glad the military hardware is hardened.

[windwalker]

cool ya got some skills
Used to work in what was called land combat developments...
The team I was part of tested and evaluated new concepts for future
weapon systems being developed.

your quite correct, what they have compared to what is known
is quite different and very scary......

and yet we dont even make washing machines
any more.....kinda sad

[yeniseri]

Military equipment is generally not hardened against EMP. Perhaps (just a guess) but the Air Force probably has its own plan per their R&D as they are the premiere force for development.

[windwalker]

Military equipment is generally not hardened against EMP. Perhaps (just a guess) but the Air Force probably has its own plan per their R&D as they are the premiere force for development.

At White Sands, the Nuclear Effects Directorate has the capability to simulate and evaluate the various effects of a nuclear explosion -- including the electromagnetic pulse. For example, when the Abrams was being developed as the U.S. Army´s main battle tank it was put through extensive electromagnetic testing at the missile range.

Its electronic components were protected by various "hardening" techniques during development so they would survive very powerful pulses. The test and evaluation done at White Sands validated the adequacy of the "hardened" design.

http://www.wsmr.army.mil/PAO/wuaws/Page ... sting.aspx

all systems are spec ed to be able to withstand a range of EMP.

MIL-STD-461 provides radiated (RS 105) and conducted (CS 116) test methods and test levels for determining a device’s immunity to EMP. The coupling modes into the equipment enclosure and its interconnecting cabling can be complex and are, therefore, evaluated separately.

The RS 105 test method addresses the risk of radiated exposure to an EMP event. Testing is generally applicable to equipment installed in exposed and partially exposed environments on aircraft, surface ships, submarines and ground vehicles.

The MIL-STD-188-125 establishes minimum requirements and design objectives for high-altitude electromagnetic pulse (HEMP) hardening of fixed, ground-based facilities that perform critical, time-urgent command, control, communications, computer, and intelligence (C4I) missions. Similar to the approach described in MIL-STD-461, this standard provides both radiated and conducted test methods and test levels.

[willie]

Military equipment is generally not hardened against EMP. Perhaps (just a guess) but the Air Force probably has its own plan per their R&D as they are the premiere force for development.

At White Sands, the Nuclear Effects Directorate has the capability to simulate and evaluate the various effects of a nuclear explosion -- including the electromagnetic pulse. For example, when the Abrams was being developed as the U.S. Army´s main battle tank it was put through extensive electromagnetic testing at the missile range.

Its electronic components were protected by various "hardening" techniques during development so they would survive very powerful pulses. The test and evaluation done at White Sands validated the adequacy of the "hardened" design.

http://www.wsmr.army.mil/PAO/wuaws/Page ... sting.aspx

all systems are spec ed to be able to withstand a range of EMP.

MIL-STD-461 provides radiated (RS 105) and conducted (CS 116) test methods and test levels for determining a device’s immunity to EMP. The coupling modes into the equipment enclosure and its interconnecting cabling can be complex and are, therefore, evaluated separately.

The RS 105 test method addresses the risk of radiated exposure to an EMP event. Testing is generally applicable to equipment installed in exposed and partially exposed environments on aircraft, surface ships, submarines and ground vehicles.

The MIL-STD-188-125 establishes minimum requirements and design objectives for high-altitude electromagnetic pulse (HEMP) hardening of fixed, ground-based facilities that perform critical, time-urgent command, control, communications, computer, and intelligence (C4I) missions. Similar to the approach described in MIL-STD-461, this standard provides both radiated and conducted test methods and test levels.

interesting that you know Mil-Standards, not many talk about that too much.

[Michael]

Saddam Hussein Kim Jong Un China EMP could hit the USA within 45 minutes with a bag of white powder. We must make a pre-emptive strike before the sky falls and creates a smoking gun.

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[willie]

Saddam Hussein Kim Jong Un China EMP could hit the USA within 45 minutes with a bag of white powder. We must make a pre-emptive strike before the sky falls and creates a smoking gun.

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Unfortunately that is how the world is run. The world and laws has nothing to do with what is morally correct.
Just like China saying they own the ocean. Only with big guns can this be enforced.
The concept of what is right is smothered by threats of lethal force.

It's because I said so and what the f... are you going to do about it... sadly, that's the real law.

[willie]

China said that the constructed island were not going to be military bases, but as you can clearly see they are.
So, it is happening just as planned. they come in as yin and slowly switch to yang. Our gov understanding is only yang.
Two yang energies collide. The concept of salesmanship is also in play. if you hear something over and over again
somehow a incorrect statement becomes real. So the Chinese gov saying over and over to the Chinese people.
We own the sea. Over time they will believe it and will not let no one take it from them.
The Chinese navy told Our admiral that you can't sail here. The Admiral said,
"We will sail anywhere in the world where international law allows us Unimpeded or you will face the wrath of the entire U.S. navy".

[windwalker]

Not a big fan of US claims.
US says not to militarize the area using its military to say it.

Indeed, the Obama Pentagon may have already blown the message.

By failing to turn on fire-control sensors during its cruise, for example, the Lassen failed to follow the proper procedures for a genuine “freedom of navigation” operation. Instead, to Chinese observers the voyage looked more like an “innocent passage,” which the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea allows, even for military vessels within the sovereign twelve-nautical-mile limit.

Far from denying China’s claims to sovereignty over the Spratlys, the October 27 trip could be seen as conceding those claims.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... ly-islands

To date they have not gone beyond the 12 nautical mile limit.
Nor has the US engaged with a military that has similar weaponry.

China’s maritime disputes span centuries. The tug-of-war over sovereignty of the Diaoyu/Senkakus in the East China Sea can be traced to the Sino-Japanese War of 1894, while Japan’s defeat in World War II and Cold War geopolitics added complexity to claims over the islands.

The fight over overlapping exclusive economic zones in the South China Sea has an equally complex chronology of events steeped in the turmoil of Southeast Asian history.
http://www.cfr.org/asia-and-pacific/chi ... 5#!/p31345

Globalization—including extensive free trade pacts between claimants—and recent developments like the U.S. “pivot” to Asia have further connected the two disputes. As China’s economic ascent facilitates growing military capabilities and assertiveness in both seas, other regional players are also experiencing their own rise in nationalism and military capability, and have exhibited greater willingness to stake territorial claims.

[willie]

Not a big fan of US claims.
US says not to militarize the area using its military to say it.
To date they have not gone beyond the 12 mile limit.
Nor has it engaged with a military that has similar weaponry.

China’s maritime disputes span centuries. The tug-of-war over sovereignty of the Diaoyu/Senkakus in the East China Sea can be traced to the Sino-Japanese War of 1894, while Japan’s defeat in World War II and Cold War geopolitics added complexity to claims over the islands.

The fight over overlapping exclusive economic zones in the South China Sea has an equally complex chronology of events steeped in the turmoil of Southeast Asian history.
http://www.cfr.org/asia-and-pacific/chi ... 5#!/p31345

Globalization—including extensive free trade pacts between claimants—and recent developments like the U.S. “pivot” to Asia have further connected the two disputes. As China’s economic ascent facilitates growing military capabilities and assertiveness in both seas, other regional players are also experiencing their own rise in nationalism and military capability, and have exhibited greater willingness to stake territorial claims.

Yes they have gone with-in the 12 mile limits.
I would park a ship right on the 1 mile mark, ignore every warning to leave and stay there for as long as it takes for them to get the picture that
you just can not take things that don't belong to you.
if they didn't like that, then I would get a bag of good old California beach sand. drop ONLY 1 grain of sand at the 11.9 mile mark and tell them that WE
own that grain of sand and you can't come with-in 12 miles of it. if they didn't like that then I would sail 11.9 miles and drop only 1 grain of sand again.
And again and again until every 11.9 miles on earth was covered and NO one could sail anywhere.

[windwalker]

you just can not take things that don't belong to you

hello this the US where talking about. I think the native Americans might have
some thoughts on this. The point is that its a historic claim one that is regional.

I thought the Chinese where and are pretty smart about this.
In the end they will end up with what ever their plan happens to be.
The US needs to get used to not being so big in the world and start taking care of stuff here.

The allure of advanced weaponry is thinking no one else has it.
Until they do

Have any links that shows the US has gone within 1 mile of the islands in question?
They talk of freedom of navigation so far what has China done to inhibit it?

even for oil rigs as an example have exclusion zones.

The Club has been made aware of a serious incident earlier this year involving a general cargo ship entering the exclusion zone of an offshore platform.

This bulletin details the incident and penalties that may be incurred, and may serve as a useful reminder to Officers on board ships of the consequences of entering such zones without permission, as well as the importance of maintaining a good radio watch at all times.

http://www.ukpandi.com/knowledge/articl ... wide-1768/

[willie]

you just can not take things that don't belong to you

hello this the US where talking about. I think the native Americans might have
some thoughts on this. The point is that its a historic claim one that is regional.

I thought the Chinese where and are pretty smart about this.
In the end they will end up with what ever their plan happens to be.
The US needs to get used to not being so big in the world and start taking care of stuff here.

The allure of advanced weaponry is thinking no one else has it.
Until they do

Have any links that shows the US has gone within 1 mile of the islands in question?
They talk of freedom of navigation so far what has China done to inhibit it?

even for oil rigs as an example have exclusion zones.

The Club has been made aware of a serious incident earlier this year involving a general cargo ship entering the exclusion zone of an offshore platform.

This bulletin details the incident and penalties that may be incurred, and may serve as a useful reminder to Officers on board ships of the consequences of entering such zones without permission, as well as the importance of maintaining a good radio watch at all times.

http://www.ukpandi.com/knowledge/articl ... wide-1768/

yeah and I have photo shop too.

What your saying is not the point. They are MAKING islands by dredging the ocean floor.
Once a precedence has been set, like this one, there will be more and more.
They intend on blocking off the entire sea by dredging until no one can fish there or sail there.
It is greed at the risk of global war. Soon the situation will be un-reversible. Either the World is going to let them TAKE
the entire sea,( then there will be MORE taking ), Or the world needs to stand up to this wrong doing.
link I would suggest you look at.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/china-scramb ... 00626.html

and you don't think there's a connection?

[yeniseri]

These 2 have great source materials. nly having countermeasures for the military rarely fixes the problem but few military units have the capability to withstand a coordinated EMP attack
http://highfrontier.org/wp-content/uplo ... aper-2.pdf


http://mackenzieinstitute.com/heading-t ... tastrophe/
Per the above source, many groups representing utilities have refuse to get on board to fix the problem