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The Russians did it.

Postby grzegorz on Mon Jul 25, 2016 11:36 am

The New York Times

As Democrats Gather, a Russian Subplot Raises Intrigue

Vladimir V. Putin in Moscow last month. Democratic leaders and cyberspecialists wonder if Mr. Putin is meddling in the presidential election.

By DAVID E. SANGER and NICOLE PERLROTH
JULY 24, 2016

WASHINGTON — An unusual question is capturing the attention of cyberspecialists, Russia experts and Democratic Party leaders in Philadelphia: Is Vladimir V. Putin trying to meddle in the American presidential election?

Until Friday, that charge, with its eerie suggestion of a Kremlin conspiracy to aid Donald J. Trump, has been only whispered.

But the release on Friday of some 20,000 stolen emails from the Democratic National Committee’s computer servers, many of them embarrassing to Democratic leaders, has intensified discussion of the role of Russian intelligence agencies in disrupting the 2016 campaign.


The emails, released first by a supposed hacker and later by WikiLeaks, exposed the degree to which the Democratic apparatus favored Hillary Clinton over her primary rival, Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, and triggered the resignation of Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the party chairwoman, on the eve of the convention’s first day.

Proving the source of a cyberattack is notoriously difficult. But researchers have concluded that the national committee was breached by two Russian intelligence agencies, which were the same attackers behind previous Russian cyberoperations at the White House, the State Department and the Joint Chiefs of Staff last year. And metadata from the released emails suggests that the documents passed through Russian computers. Though a hacker claimed responsibility for giving the emails to WikiLeaks, the same agencies are the prime suspects. Whether the thefts were ordered by Mr. Putin, or just carried out by apparatchiks who thought they might please him, is anyone’s guess.


On Sunday morning, the issue erupted, as Mrs. Clinton’s campaign manager, Robby Mook, argued on ABC’s “This Week” that the emails were leaked “by the Russians for the purpose of helping Donald Trump” citing “experts” but offering no other evidence. Mr. Mook also suggested that the Russians might have good reason to support Mr. Trump: The Republican nominee indicated in an interview with The New York Times last week that he might not back NATO nations if they came under attack from Russia — unless he was first convinced that the countries had made sufficient contributions to the Atlantic alliance.

It was a remarkable moment: Even at the height of the Cold War, it was hard to find a presidential campaign willing to charge that its rival was essentially secretly doing the bidding of a key American adversary. But the accusation is emerging as a theme of Mrs. Clinton’s campaign, as part of an attempt to portray Mr. Trump not only as an isolationist, but also as one who would go soft on confronting Russia as it threatens nations that have shown too much independence from Moscow or, in the case of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, joined NATO.

Mr. Trump has also said he would like to “get along with Russia” if he is elected, and complimented Mr. Putin, saying he is more of a leader than President Obama. Mr. Putin has in turn praised Mr. Trump. But Trump campaign officials on Sunday strongly rejected any connections between their candidate and efforts to undermine the Democrats.

“Are there any ties between Mr. Trump, you or your campaign and Putin and his regime?” George Stephanopoulos, of “This Week,” asked Paul Manafort, Mr. Trump’s campaign chairman.

“No, there are not,” Mr. Manafort shot back. “That’s absurd. And, you know, there’s no basis to it.”

One of Mr. Trump’s sons, Donald Trump Jr., was more definitive, charging the Clinton camp with a smear campaign. “I can’t think of bigger lies,” he said on CNN. The younger Mr. Trump mockingly suggested that Mr. Mook’s “house cat at home once said this is what happened with the Russians.’’

It may take months, or years, to figure out the motives of those who stole the emails, and more important, whether they were being commanded by Russian authorities, and specifically by Mr. Putin. But the theft from the national committee would be among the most important state-sponsored hacks yet of an American organization, rivaled only by the attacks on the Office of Personnel Management by state-sponsored Chinese hackers, and the attack on Sony Pictures Entertainment, which Mr. Obama blamed on North Korea. There, too, embarrassing emails were released, but they had no political significance. The WikiLeaks release, however, has more of a tinge of Russian-style information war, in which the intent of the revelations is to alter political events. Exactly how, though, is a bit of a mystery, apart from embarrassing Democrats and further alienating Mr. Sanders’s supporters from Mrs. Clinton.

Evidence so far suggests that the attack was the work of at least two separate agencies, each apparently working without the knowledge that the other was inside the Democrats’ computers. It is unclear how WikiLeaks obtained the email trove. But the presumption is that the intelligence agencies turned it over, either directly or through an intermediary. Moreover, the timing of the release, between the end of the Republican convention and the beginning of the Democratic one, seems too well planned to be coincidental.

Mr. Trump himself leapt on the news after the WikiLeaks release on Saturday. In a Twitter message he wrote: “Leaked emails of DNC show plans to destroy Bernie Sanders. Mock his heritage and much more. On-line from Wikileakes, really vicious. RIGGED.”

The experts cited by Mr. Mook include CrowdStrike, a cybersecurity firm that was brought into the Democratic National Committee when officials there suspected they had been hacked.

In mid-June the company announced that the intruders appeared to include a group it had previously identified by the name “Cozy Bear” or “APT 29” and been inside the committee’s servers for a year. A second group, “Fancy Bear,” also called “APT 28,” came into the system in April. It appears to be operated by the G.R.U., the Russian military intelligence service, according to federal investigators and private cybersecurity firms. The first group is particularly well known to the F.B.I.’s counterintelligence unit, the C.I.A. and other intelligence agencies. It was identified by federal investigators as the likely culprit behind years of intrusions into the State Department and White House unclassified computer system.

Russian intelligence agencies went to great lengths to cover their tracks, investigators found, including meticulously deleting logs, and changing the time stamps of the stolen files.

Officials at several other firms that have examined the code for the malware used against the Democratic National Committee and the metadata of the stolen documents found evidence that the documents had been accessed by multiple computers, some with Russian language settings. Moscow has outsourced politically motivated hacking to outside groups in the past. A crippling attack on Estonia in 2007, for example, was attributed to the pro-Kremlin Nashi youth organization. Intelligence officials and security researchers believe this outsourcing is done, in part, to preserve a measure of plausible deniability.

Intrusions for intelligence collection are hardly unusual, and the United States often does the same, stealing emails and other secrets from intelligence services and even political parties. But the release to WikiLeaks adds another strange element, because it suggests that the intelligence findings are being “weaponized” — used to influence the election in some way. The story has another level of intrigue involving Mr. Manafort, Mr. Trump’s campaign chairman. Working through his lobbying firm, Mr. Manafort was one of several American advisers to Viktor F. Yanukovych, the Russian-backed leader of Ukraine until he was forced out of office two years ago. Mr. Yanukovych was a key Putin ally who is now in exile in Russia.

In April, asked on Fox News about his relationship with Mr. Yanukovych, Mr. Manafort said he was simply trying to help the Ukrainians build a democracy that could align more closely with the United States and its allies.

Correction: July 25, 2016
Because of an editing error, an earlier version of a reporting credit with this article misspelled the surname of a reporter. He is David E. Sanger, not Sangar.



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Re: The Russians did it.

Postby chud on Mon Jul 25, 2016 12:22 pm

Oh, give me a break.
Blaming Russia?
Even supposing it was the Russians, doesn’t that just show that it was a bad idea for Hillary to use a personal server in her home?!?

Pathetic.
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Re: The Russians did it.

Postby Dmitri on Mon Jul 25, 2016 1:26 pm

Great write-up by Garry Kasparov

(not directly on-topic, but since you brought up "the Russians"...)

"...the intent of the speaker is to elicit the visceral emotions of fear and disgust before relieving them with a cleansing anger that overwhelms everything else. Only the leader can make the fear and disgust go away. The leader will channel your hatred and frustration and make everything better. How, exactly? Well, that’s not important right now."


The democratic leader needs the people. The tyrant, and the would-be tyrant, insists that the people need him.


Beautifully written. -bow-

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... story.html
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Re: The Russians did it.

Postby chud on Mon Jul 25, 2016 1:48 pm

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Re: The Russians did it.

Postby Dmitri on Mon Jul 25, 2016 1:49 pm

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Re: The Russians did it.

Postby Steve James on Mon Jul 25, 2016 2:05 pm

Well, "if" the Russians fed the info to Wikileaks, it says more about Wikileaks/Assange than anything in the emails. It is more than coincidental that the leak came the day before the convention. If Wikileaks had it earlier, they could have released it then. So, there was a political purpose to the release. It was a break in of the DNC, not Hillary's email, and that reminds one of other DNC break ins, or attempts. But, it seems to suggest that Putin would like to see his admirer in office.

The other thing is that it all it takes is a headline on a news site and people come to conclusions based on it without reading the rest. For ex., it's understandable why Wasserman resigned; but, I haven't read a single quote from one of her emails, only from staff members. She's Jewish, so the claim that the DNC was going after Bernie's religion (or atheism) on her behalf seems sketchy at best. What would be significant, and I wouldn't mind seeing, was evidence of a coordinated attempt to hidetrict votes. I think anything like that would be the first thing mentioned.
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Re: The Russians did it.

Postby Michael on Mon Jul 25, 2016 2:37 pm

Conspiracy Theerist says more likely that US-based anti-Russian intel networks who prefer Trump hacked the e-mails and blamed Russia for wanting Trump. Two birds with one stone.
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Re: The Russians did it.

Postby Michael on Mon Jul 25, 2016 2:41 pm

Russian intelligence agencies went to great lengths to cover their tracks, investigators found, including meticulously deleting logs, and changing the time stamps of the stolen files.

That is definitely some Jason Bourne level hacking right there. I used to think a middle-schooler could delete a log or change a time stamp on a computer file, but no, you need KGB Boris for that.
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Re: The Russians did it.

Postby Steve James on Mon Jul 25, 2016 3:39 pm

Well, Wikileaks gets its information from someone. This was a hack job, something more in line with Anonymous.

On Friday, Wikileaks released a trove of emails from top DNC staffers, some of which backed up Sanders’ claims that the party had not been supportive of him.


It had nothing to do with HIllary's servers, emails to Hillary, or even to Wasserman.

And, it's also interesting that no one is blaming the Republicans for the hack. Otoh, it's likely that the RNC is just as vulnerable.
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Re: The Russians did it.

Postby grzegorz on Mon Jul 25, 2016 3:45 pm

chud wrote:Oh, give me a break.
Blaming Russia?
Even supposing it was the Russians, doesn’t that just show that it was a bad idea for Hillary to use a personal server in her home?!?

Pathetic.


To be honest I am impressed.

Trump wants to work with Putin and come down on NATO countries who are not contributing.

If the Russians did pull this off I just have to wonder how they ever lost the cold war.
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Re: The Russians did it.

Postby roger hao on Mon Jul 25, 2016 8:57 pm

The same fools that were easily hacked into and use blackberries to do top secret govt plans instantly determined that the Russians did it and noticed all the cover ups? You guys crack me up with -
1 Gullibilty
2- defense of crooked Hillary
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Re: The Russians did it.

Postby grzegorz on Tue Jul 26, 2016 2:47 am

@Roger and Chud, this thread is mostly just for fun.

Sure it may have been anyone who hacked into the DNC, but ultimately the electoral college was designed to stop the will of the people so the government could choose and control who would run for office.

Last time Ron Paul was stopped and this time it was Bernie. That's the way the system has always been and always be anyone who believes otherwise is the one who is gullible.

Also they tried to stop Trump too but somehow people actually believe a reality show star with zero experience and a collection of trophy wives can actually be a good president. Who are the gullible ones again? By the way can I interest you in Trump university? (;

Back to the topic anything is possible and with Snowden in Russia I don't think it's impossible, but mostly it's just a fun supposition of what have happened here.
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Re: The Russians did it.

Postby Steve James on Tue Jul 26, 2016 4:40 am

Fwiw, I thought the title was a quasi joke too, whether it was true or not. For me, the serious issue is how Wikileaks is being used as a political tool. If Assange decides when to release leaks, that means he decides when not to. If that affects U.S. politics, that's something to consider.

I still don't see how this proves anything about Hillary. However, I recall in '08 that she had lots of supporters, ... when she was running against Obama. He was the anti-Christ, anti-Constitution, Muslim born in Kenya ---oops, sorry, they still "believe" that. Eight years later, she's the devil. A candidate for the presidency literally connected her to Satan at the RNC. So, in this climate, finding stuff that's funnier is almost impossible.

Nowadays, there are moans about Bernie's treatment, and what it means. But, sure as shootin', if Bernie got the nomination --or gets it-- he'll become an atheist/Jewish, un-American, anti-Constitutional devil, too. Oh, and Trump will represent Christianity, morality, truth, justice and the American way.
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Re: The Russians did it.

Postby roger hao on Wed Jul 27, 2016 2:11 pm

My post was posted in attitude of levity.
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Re: The Russians did it.

Postby chud on Wed Jul 27, 2016 2:16 pm

The people who say the Russians did it are probably the same people who said, "My dog ate my homework" growing up. ;D
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