Re: The Russians did it.
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Thu Oct 20, 2016 5:56 pm
by grzegorz
Steve James wrote:Who is threatening a war with whom for what reason again?
Apparently Hillary is a war hawk (which supposedly all Europeans agree on) and an alcoholic and since she celebrated when Omar Khadaffi was killed she wants a war with Russia because she takes money from George Soros who funded the Maiden protests in Ukraine. Also apparently women want Hillary and men want Trump at which point I couldn't take anymore. His logic was that Trump cares about keeping peace because men send men to war and Hillary is a heartless witch.
Re: The Russians did it.
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Thu Oct 20, 2016 6:54 pm
by Steve James
Ah, so the argument is that she "wants" a war with Russia. Ok. Trump doesn't. OK. Well, fact is, unless NATO dissolves, there's a mutual defense pact. So, it'd be Russia against NATO. In fact, that why there are regular NATO games. It's understandable that Europeans feel that Hillary (and most of their own politicians) are hawkish or eager to use military force. Otoh, most of those who like Trump see him as a "strongman" who wouldn't be reluctant to use force, even nukes. Trump derides Clinton (and Obama) as weak. But, whatever.
Nobody would win a WW3, btw. Trump asks why we have nukes if we won't use them. But, that was the point: mutually assured destruction: MAD. Consequently, by "war" I would suspect that the Russians are talking about conflicts in proxy states. I.e., we (the US) would supply weapons to people who were in the way of Russian interests. Yes, it could be a good deal for us to allow Russia to regain all the territory lost after the breakup of the USSR. As you say, what will the Poles say? I also think it important to remember that Britain, France, Germany, Holland, etc., are our NATO allies. What if they decide that something Russia does is too much, while Trump is pres?
That said, I don't think that it's necessary for Russia to be an enemy. It is a competitor. Putin is promoting his interests, not those of the US, ever. And his interests may or may not align with ours --without us being evil.
Btw, in the past 3 years, the strongest advocates for Syrian no-fly zones were the Republicans, specifically John McCain.
Aw shoot, I forgot. Trump is not fond of NATO. Hmmm.
Re: The Russians did it.
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Thu Oct 20, 2016 7:51 pm
by Mr_Wood
Re: The Russians did it.
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Thu Oct 20, 2016 10:53 pm
by grzegorz
I agree Steve. As you mentioned basically the podcast takes a conservative point of view which is interesting since the guy is Canadian complete with looking down at foolish Americans but instead of making fun of Americans for not being liberal he makes fun of Americans for being liberal. Now there is nothing wrong with making fun of Americans there is so much to make fun of but as you pointed out instead of going into depth into what is actually happening he takes his side and excludes any information that would balance out or contradict him. Which is fine too because it makes me further understand why there are so many divisions.
I actually found it kind of interesting to hear in some depth why some believe the US is about to start WWIII. It makes me realize why I see and hear some of the things I see and hear and I know how I would respond if someone tried to convince me of what I heard because although dude starts with facts he also mixes in a few conspiracy theory and exaggeration to prove his point which serves as a reminder why we all need to do our own research.
Re: The Russians did it.
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Fri Oct 21, 2016 1:49 am
by Michael
Yeah Greg, I feel ya. If Dubya announced on TV that I won a million bucks, I would miss it and not regret it.
Re: The Russians did it.
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Fri Oct 21, 2016 12:31 pm
by grzegorz
LOL!
Really?
Like I said I have watched those goons speak before.
If you have something specific you want to address then give it your best shot.
You tried this game before on the other Russians thread and you guys tried to bust my balls because I wasn't watching your videos but the fact is I did watch some of them but as soon as I found falsehoods I stopped.
You may disagree with me but I don't believe in encouraging douche bag behavior. A co-worker of mine has a podcast modeled after Opie and Anthony but even more racists and more disgusting than ever. If he gets a few more listeners than he did before he celebrates like he won the lottery. I say shut these people off because each click only adds to their propaganda machine.
Using your own logic Michael I would assume you have watched every IS video and every Nazis propaganda video from the thirties since you have such strong opinions of both.
So have you? Did you even bother to listen to Freedomain? Because that's what we are discussing anyway.
Remember you just posted a false claims that Milsevic was exonerated? Yes?
Did I bust you?
No, of course not. You just got bad information that you didn't filter out. We'll I filter out bad information .
Re: The Russians did it.
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Fri Oct 21, 2016 2:03 pm
by grzegorz
Michael wrote:Yeah Greg, I feel ya. If Dubya announced on TV that I won a million bucks, I would miss it and not regret it.
Besides I did watch the Putin interview and I gave my response, so what's up?
Re: The Russians did it.
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Fri Oct 21, 2016 2:55 pm
by grzegorz
To me this is just further evidence that he has hand in these killings otherwise I doubt he would threaten to cut all ties with the US when he could easily have great ties with both countries. As I recall the US and China are the biggest trading partners all.
Re: The Russians did it.
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Sat Oct 22, 2016 5:09 am
by Michael
The article included some claims about Milosevic that were not the focus and I did not mention. I'm glad you posted some contrary information, I read the first article you posted by Al Jazeera, will watch the others.
I might try and summarize some of these interviews in order to get feedback from you and others, just depends on how much time I can put into it.
I'm not blaming you for not watching videos, I'm just trying to find a way to discuss the topic that's workable. You were frequently posting your opinions with the caveat that you weren't going to argue or debate, so just feeling you out (up?) lol.
Re: The Russians did it.
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Sat Oct 22, 2016 7:39 am
by grzegorz
Well everyone is repeating all the same talking points so sometimes it's not necessary to hear it from the horse's mouth. I have those interview but nothing new was revealed. The only new thing was hearing Putin point out how powerful the NSA is was to me verifies what I believe too.
Re: The Russians did it.
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Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:22 pm
by grzegorz
Turns out it was the Russian hacking group Fancy Bear. The interesting thing about it is that it was a Russian who lives here who figured it all out. Not sure if that part is in the news though my wife works in cyber security and used to work with the man who now has his own company who was known for his arrogance.
I suppose he earned it.
Re: The Russians did it.
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Thu Oct 27, 2016 2:47 pm
by Steve James
The interesting thing about it is that it was a Russian who lives here who figured it all out.
Russian hackers have also released some of Putin's stuff
http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/26/now-r ... rker-side/Methinks they'll be running scared. Oh, and it'll be blamed on HRC.