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Re: Stoicism

Postby GrahamB on Wed Apr 05, 2017 2:37 am

I'm reading a lot about Stoicism right now, but I'm an older white dude, doing a fairly intellectual job, so it probably doesn't really count :)

(I think the point that the majority of people interested in Stocicism now fall into that category is valid, and should be considered

Stoicon 2016 audience:

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Although historically, it was always about old white dudes, if the famous practitioners are anything to go by:

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But anyway, I thought this article I read yesterday on Amor Fati 'Love your fate' was really interesting:

https://dailystoic.com/amor-fati/

PLUS: Interesting Podcast on the subject by Donald Robertson on Stoicism and CBT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86_fsafYUG8

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Re: Stoicism

Postby Steve James on Wed Apr 05, 2017 7:09 am

There's really nothing special, nor "White," about Stoicism except the name. Stoicism is an attitude toward life. Zeno offered a philosophical explanation for that attitude, and the reason for that attitude had a moral foundation. Imo, very few contemporary people who adopt Stoicism do so for Zeno's reasons. And, btw, Stoics who do wouldn't care about that statement. However, much of Tibetan Buddhism is based on ideas that are stoic. The interesting element of contemporary western Stoicism (and, I'm not talking about philosophers) is its relation to the Epicurean ideas of pleasure and/or accomplishment. It's a matter of how to define "virtue" or "the good life."

Oh, afa therapy, yeah, I can see that Stoic thought can help. I'm not sure that means reading Epictetus or Marcus Aurelius, or the Go Rin No Sho or Hagakure.
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Re: Stoicism

Postby Steve James on Wed Apr 05, 2017 7:31 am

Somebody just posted this on my FB. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVkWo7sC6-0
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Re: Stoicism

Postby Finny on Wed Apr 05, 2017 6:35 pm

Great movie - as are his others; Hidden Blade etc
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Re: Stoicism

Postby grzegorz on Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:17 am

[quote="GrahamB"]I'm reading a lot about Stoicism right now, but I'm an older white dude, doing a fairly intellectual job, so it probably doesn't really count :)[quote]

That issue actually came up in one Holiday's talks. Someone asked why it was just white guys who were talking about Stoicism and he looked surprised but said he hopes that his message would spread to everyone. I just thought it was funny that someone would actually ask that
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Re: Stoicism

Postby grzegorz on Sun Apr 09, 2017 4:04 pm

I finally found a good interview with Ryan Holiday for a quick version of Obstacle. Strangely enough most of his interviews don't do his writings justice but this one does.



https://youtu.be/dLGv2y7Y-ro
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Re: Stoicism

Postby chud on Mon Apr 10, 2017 11:58 am

Mr_Wood wrote:Just ordered the Hayes translation, cheers chaps.


I've read Meditations a couple of times, but always just read the free version online; I'll have to check out the Hayes translation. Thanks.
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Re: Stoicism

Postby vagabond on Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:57 pm

Whiteness is a very recent invention. So no, Zeno wasn't white.

The only reason I mention it is because I've had this thought before, specifically regarding Stoicism and "hermeticism". The only people I've known to bring up stoicism in conversation have been culturally privileged "creative" dudes.

hermeticism on the other hand has always been brought up by white working-poor dudes with absurdly high opinions of themselves despite being the frier/salad bitch, a past selling crack but not going back to jail, firm believers that black people are inferior despite being across the kitchen from black folk with more skill, more intelligence and better hygiene, only doing this until they "start their own business", and acted like my friend but offered to sell me a bag of weed at a price that made it clear they thought I was a chump. With the second guy I was wondering if they had meetings, and maybe a script.

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