Steve Bannon and the election of Donald Trump

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Re: Steve Bannon and the election of Donald Trump

Postby Steve James on Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:25 am

It's true that Obama (and Bush) signed laws (that went through Congressional and judicial review) relating to these specific countries. But, that doesn't negate the incompetence of the Trump executive order (which was denied upon judicial review) or its implementation. Iow, the way Trump tried to do it is the issue. No one disputes the idea of preventing potential terrorists. However, about the Obama connection, and what people hear (which is only limited by what people can say).

The Obama connection

The travel part of Trump’s order does target the same seven countries that were singled out with a law Obama signed in December 2015.

The Obama-signed law contains provisions that restrict travel to the United States for people who lived in or visited Iran, Iraq, Sudan, or Syria since March 2011. They must have a visa to enter the United States; they can’t use what is known as the Visa Waiver Program, which allows 90-day U.S. visits to other foreign visitors.


The law was soon expanded by Obama’s Department of Homeland Security to cover Libya, Somalia, and Yemen. They were identified in the agency’s announcement as "countries of concern," a phrase used in the law.

Daveed Gartenstein-Ross, a senior fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, told us Priebus’ claim is not misleading, but that the law Obama signed doesn’t define the seven countries as the most dangerous in terms of harboring terrorists. There are other countries where terrorists are active but could have been left off the Obama list for other reasons, he said.

There are countries, such as Pakistan, Afghanistan and others, where militants have significant space to operate, but there could be a variety of reasons why they were not included with countries where travel without visas is restricted by Obama law, he said. For instance, the U.S. government has a delicate relationship with the Pakistani government and there might be a desire on the part of the United States not to restrict travel from people in certain countries.

Two notes before we close that don’t directly bear on Priebus’ claim, but shed light on the seven countries:

Iran (added in 1984), Sudan (1993) and Syria (1979) are the only countries on the U.S. State Department’s list of "state sponsors of terrorism." They were determined by the secretary of state to have "repeatedly provided support for acts of international terrorism."

Iraq, Libya, Somalia and Yemen are on the State Department’s list of "terrorist safe havens" -- where terrorists operate "in relative security." But nine other countries or regions are on the safe havens list, too.


So, take these parts:

The Obama-signed law contains provisions that restrict travel to the United States for people who lived in or visited Iran, Iraq, Sudan, or Syria since March 2011. They must have a visa to enter the United States; they can’t use what is known as the Visa Waiver Program, which allows 90-day U.S. visits to other foreign visitors.


Damn. That makes sense.

The law was soon expanded by Obama’s Department of Homeland Security to cover Libya, Somalia, and Yemen. They were identified in the agency’s announcement as "countries of concern," a phrase used in the law.


That makes sense too. Hmmm, what did that law do again? Oh yeah "They must have a visa to enter the United States; they can’t use what is known as the Visa Waiver Program." Sure, one can say that it's the same as enforcing an immediate ban. But, it's not.
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Re: Steve Bannon and the election of Donald Trump

Postby Steve James on Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:36 am

Oh, just from an admin pov, since there was already a law stating that people from these countries had to get visas in order to travel, it would have made more sense to stop issuing visas. As it was, Trump's order affected people who already had U.S. visas that were pre-approved. Some of whom had landed on US soil and were told they couldn't enter.
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Re: Steve Bannon and the election of Donald Trump

Postby grzegorz on Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:59 am

Michael wrote:Greg, I did not take the piss Trump story seriously, but I did read a few articles on it looking for anything solid and I didn't find it, based on my own definition of what's reliable info. in a case like this. I also don't see anything solid in the Russia hacking story other than CIA assertions. Just my opinion on those.


You don't have to take it seriously to be true. These are papers within the Intel community so even if you don't believe it it seems that they do.

I don't know anyone would question it all three countries China, Russia and the US have been known to have an online presence. The Russians did the same in Ukraine's election and released recordings of Julia and also went after the best candidates in Poland and thus the crap got elected instead, just like here.

As far as the golden showers I guess you were not a Howard Stern listener. I used to listen to Stern and I would bet my house that the story is real because is the kind of stuff Trump used to talk about before he wanted your vote. Also it is not an attack on Trump rich celebs do all kinds of crazy stuff. If you had more money and power than you could ever imagine you and some trophy wife (abroad) who only married you for your money then why not indulge your perversions? Heck it is the same stuff people watch online all the time, why not see it live?

Unfortunately I think too many people got caught up with the piss and dismissed the whole thing. Yet the piss was nothing more than a wild detail of something a lot of men would be willing to watch live. I live near crazy SF and from what hear a lot of freaks you can pay to do stuff like this out here too. It is nothing new and people are doing it.
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Re: Steve Bannon and the election of Donald Trump

Postby grzegorz on Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:08 pm

Michael wrote:
Here’s A Short List Of Foreign-Born Terrorists Reporters Can’t Believe Exist
https://thefederalist.com/2017/01/30/heres-short-list-foreign-born-terrorists-reporters-cant-believe-exist/

Did The Judges Lie: New Report Finds 72 Terrorists Came From Countries Covered By Trump Ban
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-11/did-judges-lie-new-report-finds-72-terrorists-came-countries-covered-trump-ban


First off I never read anything with a title like the above. I wish people would stop clicking those because they are written to generate clicks so the writers in Macedonia, Panama or that apartment in LA get paid per click. Again sensationalist titles are there just to generate clicks and money, don't fall for it.

I did skim the article and again nothing. Yes, I am aware of all those incidents and none of them justify the travel ban. It was clearly written for low information voters.

They are peddling fear. They want me to fear and hate Muslims yet to me and they are no more or less dangerous than anyone else out there. The Nazis blamed the Jews for losing WWI and I am sure they had strong arguments for that too but I don't buy into fear. Yes, violence is real but when a non-Muslim man goes on a killing spree the religion is never blamed. Yet white militia groups use religion to justify voilence.
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Re: Steve Bannon and the election of Donald Trump

Postby Steve James on Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:11 pm

Pissing? Golden showers?? Anyone actually seen Russian porn? Frankly, though, what he does behind closed doors is nobody's business. It's just that this sort of thing has been used to bring down politicians ever since it was hypocritically brought up because of alleged 'morality.'
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Re: Steve Bannon and the election of Donald Trump

Postby grzegorz on Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:15 pm

Steve James wrote:Pissing? Golden showers?? Anyone actually seen Russian porn? Frankly, though, what he does behind closed doors is nobody's business.


That's is what I am saying. I don't think anyone is trying to bring him down though. I believe the agent was doing his job.

When I was in the military decades ago I used to hear a lot of golden showers stories so I don't get why anyone would be shocked by any of this.
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Re: Steve Bannon and the election of Donald Trump

Postby grzegorz on Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:20 pm

Michael wrote:I'm pleasantly surprised to see that Paul Joseph Watson of Infowars somehow managed to be immune to the mental issues of his boss and actually makes some valid points in this short video. Calling Silverman's social media posts a meltdown is a bit exaggerated.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGbdu9bFhzQ


Comics and just about post and tweet this stuff randomly through out the day. All over NY and Florida I hear swastikas are popping up which is what the joke was based on.

That is Sarah's type of humor.
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Re: Steve Bannon and the election of Donald Trump

Postby grzegorz on Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:02 pm

Back to ban if anyone is serious about security then vetting for immigrants which we already have an universal background checks would both be important.
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Re: Steve Bannon and the election of Donald Trump

Postby grzegorz on Wed Feb 15, 2017 1:00 pm

grzegorz wrote:
Michael wrote:I'm pleasantly surprised to see that Paul Joseph Watson of Infowars somehow managed to be immune to the mental issues of his boss and actually makes some valid points in this short video. Calling Silverman's social media posts a meltdown is a bit exaggerated.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGbdu9bFhzQ


Comics and just about post and tweet this stuff randomly through out the day. All over NY and Florida I hear swastikas are popping up which is what the joke was based on.

That is Sarah's type of humor.


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