Steve Bannon and the election of Donald Trump

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Re: Steve Bannon and the election of Donald Trump

Postby windwalker on Thu Feb 02, 2017 4:27 pm

of course the source is not given.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/2/2/ ... Yemen-raid

some might call it a left wing what ever..

There is a lot of thought and intel that goes into developing target list and determining windows of opportunity.
Why the last administration did or did not conduct the raid could have been for any number of reasons. They just get passed on to the next command
who may detrimen that its either valid or not..which then gets rolled into a new target list.

this link for some might be thought of as right wing what ever. For me it's just an information source that makes the most sense at this time.
until I get a chance to check with some people I knew who still have some contacts in the Navy.

http://hotair.com/archives/2017/02/02/m ... seal-dead/

The story suggests that Trump was rash to approve the raid but never makes clear why, or why it was brought to him for approval if it wasn’t ready. And on top of that, probably the single most able officer in his cabinet, Jim Mattis, is serving at the Defense Department. Mattis surely has the operational background to know if a raid is half-baked or ready to go. If he told Trump they were ready — and presumably he did — why on earth would Trump have doubted him?


This is the real question to me, why would they bring it to him for approval if it was not ready or had a good chance of success

The fact that he did go to sleep during the operation speaks to the confidence "Trump" has in his cabinet staff..
I bet in the future he will be a little more cautious or there will be new staff....

What’s missing from any of the reporting is the suggestion that Defense warned the Trump White House that they weren’t ready to roll but the White House demanded action anyway. Until that evidence is produced, why should we assume that Trump is the negligent party?


There is no way that the President of the United States no matter who it is, would order something to be conducted "against" the advice of his commanders
with out assurances that everything was ready to go,,this includes "intel"

Of course the president could as the last administration did, fire all those that didn't agree with him.

Team Trump wants to streamline the process for approving raids against jihadis by delegating authority for action further down the chain of command. Shave away some of the bureaucracy that delays missions like this one and you’ll give the military more freedom to act quickly when opportunity presents itself. That could lead to rash action in some cases or political fiascos where an aggressive commander approves a raid that the president and his team would have been more cautious about — but again, there’s no clear assertion that that’s what happened here.


A departure form centralized management pros and cons,,,it does allow for faster reaction times, but also for mistakes to happen...after the review I would expect more direct action, and less done by drones....

In fact, the NYT’s (gripping) account of the raid suggests that Al Qaeda was curiously well prepared for what was coming; it’s implied that someone (maybe one of the UAE troops who accompanied the SEALs?) had tipped off the jihadis. Some of the women who were killed in the firefight reportedly fired on the Americans too, raising the question of whether all of the “civilian” collateral damage here was truly civilian — although some, like Anwar al-Awlaki’s eight-year-old daughter, obviously was. Long story short, while there may be more specifics coming on how White House mismanagement contributed to the chaos of the raid, for now all there is is insinuation.


This is what is most troubling, it would seem that they knew the raid was going to happen....not a good thing...
Another thing that might be noted is that the objective is not stated,,,the who or what....why a seal team, and not a drone strike.
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Re: Steve Bannon and the election of Donald Trump

Postby Ian C. Kuzushi on Thu Feb 02, 2017 4:56 pm

This is the real question to me. The fact that he did go to sleep speaks to the confidence "Trump" has in his cabinet staff..


He really can do no wrong in your eyes. My god. Well, your god, maybe.

Of course the president could as the last administration did, fire all those that didn't agree with him.


Wait a minute there! Isn't that exactly what you have been repeatedly praising in Trump? Firing everyone who disagrees with him?

I know, I know, it must be getting increasingly frustrating defending the indefensible. Shuck and jive, bob and weave, pull that card from out of your sleeve. ;D
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Re: Steve Bannon and the election of Donald Trump

Postby grzegorz on Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:22 pm

Dmitri wrote:
Steve James wrote:
U.S. military officials told Reuters that Trump approved his first covert counterterrorism operation without sufficient intelligence,


Nuff said.

So I'm wondering, how badly will he need to fuck things up before he's impeached?


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Re: Steve Bannon and the election of Donald Trump

Postby grzegorz on Fri Feb 03, 2017 1:50 am

I think we are talking about the Muslim ban on two threads. Again I want to point that Brannon has had Gaffney on his radio show almost 30 times and always praises everything Gaffney says. So some can try to convince some that it is not a ban but it is. You can find Brannon saying similar things but Gaffeny (a man Brannon promotes) is more straight forward.

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Re: Steve Bannon and the election of Donald Trump

Postby Ian C. Kuzushi on Fri Feb 03, 2017 9:58 am

I already posted the video, but Trump himself called for a ban of ALL MUSLIMS during his campaign. To say that it is not a Muslim ban is typically dishonest of the conservatives. Come on, they ran on a campaign of lies. "The economy is a disaster!" "Obama Care is a disaster!" "Our military is weak!"

All demonstrably false. But, when people see a Black guy in the Whitehouse, and a woman in line to be next, all sorts of crazy things become believable.

Remember, Obama was a Muslim not born in the US who faked all his academic credentials. Hillary was running a child prostitution ring our of a pizza parlor. Riiiiight.

Now, I was not a fan of Hillary and didn't vote for her. But, compared to Trump (or any of the straight up evil Republicans) she would have been a blessing. If I had been in a state that was within a ten point margin of error, she would have gotten my vote. Only to prevent exactly all this BS that is happening now.

Environment: going to be trashed for quick profits to a few.

Guns: going to be available to the mentally insane.

White Christian Nationalist Terrorists: removed from terror lists despite posing an arguably larger risk to us than radicalized Islamic freedom fighters.

Unconstitutional laws: Banning Muslims and elevating a White nationalist to several top posts whose rhetoric immediately led to the destruction and vandalization of multiple mosques, not to mention the recent terror attack on a mosque in Quebec city.

International reputation: Already ruined within the first week after Trump the grump threatens or hangs up on multiple world leaders.

The list goes on and on...

Yup, we are going to be soooo great. Bigly.
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Re: Steve Bannon and the election of Donald Trump

Postby Ian on Fri Feb 03, 2017 10:44 am

grzegorz wrote:Image


windwalker wrote:is it true?

I emailed Bannon last week recalling our conversation, telling him that I planned to write about it and asking him if he wanted to comment on or correct my account of it. He responded:

“I don’t remember meeting you and don’t remember the conversation. And as u can tell from the past few days I am not doing media.”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... inist.html


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaggy_defense

A Shaggy defense is the name given to a legal strategy in which the defendant flatly denies guilt in the face of overwhelming evidence against them, particularly a recording of them committing the act, just by denying that they were the one witnessed or recorded committing the act. A key element of the defense is the refusal to engage with or try to refute the evidence against the defendant, instead choosing to just deny that they were the one who committed the act. The strategy's name is derived from reggae musician Shaggy's 2000 single "It Wasn't Me", which is based around the concept; it was coined by Slate writer Josh Levin in 2008 to describe the defense used by singer R. Kelly while he was on trial for child pornography charges.


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Re: Steve Bannon and the election of Donald Trump

Postby Steve James on Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:14 pm

Well, to be fair and factual, he didn't use the word "ban." Here's the quote.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viDffWUjcBA

But, it's not worth arguing the fudging of intent that is going on. After all Conway out and out made shit up.

Kellyanne Conway, the adviser to President Trump who coined the phrase “alternative facts,” is facing another firestorm of criticism and fact-checking after she falsely spoke of a “Bowling Green massacre” by Iraqi refugees.

Ms. Conway made the comment during an appearance on MSNBC’s “Hardball” as she discussed with the host Chris Matthews the executive order by Mr. Trump that suspended immigration from seven Muslim-majority countries.

In fact, no “Bowling Green massacre” ever happened. And Ms. Conway later corrected her statement in a tweet. But here are the facts.

Two radicalized Iraqis were arrested in Bowling Green, Ky.

Ms. Conway did not specify whether she meant an attack in Kentucky, Ohio or Downtown Manhattan, for that matter. But the closest circumstance to what she described occurred in Bowling Green, Ky., in late May 2011.

Two Iraqi citizens, Mohanad Shareef Hammadi and Waad Ramadan Alwan, were indicted on federal terrorism charges. According to a Justice Department news release from January 2013, the two men had attempted to send weapons and money to Al Qaeda in Iraq with the aim of killing American soldiers there.

Both defendants pleaded guilty to the federal charges, and Mr. Hammadi was sentenced to life in federal prison while Mr. Alwan, whose fingerprints were found on an unexploded improvised explosive device in Iraq, was sentenced to 40 years in federal prison, with a life term of supervised release.

Assistant Attorney General Lisa Monaco said at the time, “These two former Iraqi insurgents participated in terrorist activities overseas and attempted to continue providing material support to terrorists while they lived here in the United States. With today’s sentences, both men are being held accountable.”

Not long after Ms. Conway’s comments were debunked, a clip of her interview went viral online, leading to ridicule and some humorous suggestions about what she might have been referring to (namely, sports).
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Re: Steve Bannon and the election of Donald Trump

Postby Ian C. Kuzushi on Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:59 pm

Hi Steve, could you tell me what you think a "complete and total shutdown of Muslims entering the United States" means?

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Re: Steve Bannon and the election of Donald Trump

Postby Steve James on Fri Feb 03, 2017 1:53 pm

Ian C. Kuzushi wrote:Hi Steve, could you tell me what you think a "complete and total shutdown of Muslims entering the United States" means?

Is a car not an automobile?


Damn, ya got me there. You're 100% right. Sarcasm is difficult in print, almost impossible in these days of dissembling and double-speak. I'd bet a buck that someone will say that DJT never used the word "ban."

Though Conway or Spicer would say that trains have cars or that "ban" was an old deodorant brand, and we were twisting their words.
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Re: Steve Bannon and the election of Donald Trump

Postby Ian C. Kuzushi on Fri Feb 03, 2017 2:07 pm

Steve James wrote:
Ian C. Kuzushi wrote:Hi Steve, could you tell me what you think a "complete and total shutdown of Muslims entering the United States" means?

Is a car not an automobile?


Damn, ya got me there. You're 100% right. Sarcasm is difficult in print, almost impossible in these days of dissembling and double-speak. I'd bet a buck that someone will say that DJT never used the word "ban."

Though Conway or Spicer would say that trains have cars or that "ban" was an old deodorant brand, and we were twisting their words.


Damn, sorry Steve. I feel like a fool. I should have gotten that, but I just thought you were being overly civil to the other side. My bad.

Honestly, wasn't trying to call you out, I was just trying to get at what you meant. Now I got it.
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Re: Steve Bannon and the election of Donald Trump

Postby Steve James on Fri Feb 03, 2017 2:40 pm

No worries at all.
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Re: Steve Bannon and the election of Donald Trump

Postby Ian on Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:31 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 65191.html

Donald Trump 'didn't realise he was promoting Steve Bannon to National Security Council when he signed order'


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Re: Steve Bannon and the election of Donald Trump

Postby grzegorz on Tue Feb 07, 2017 12:44 am

Incompetent!
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Re: Steve Bannon and the election of Donald Trump

Postby Steve James on Tue Feb 07, 2017 6:39 am

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Re: Steve Bannon and the election of Donald Trump

Postby Michael on Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:55 pm

Difficult to believe people can't find light switches. Just sounds like some made-up BS from the NY Times. The Independent article is not very thorough and cites the claim from NY Times about light switches, then USA Today just repeats it. The Independent article claiming Trump did not know he was giving Bannon access to the NSC is almost as unbelievable as the light switch story, and since it also repeats that one, I'll just dismiss it.

This just sounds like made-up or exaggerated complaints and has little value. I'd rather focus on the particulars and the mistakes of the 90 day immigration ban on the 6 countries than what is really impossible to believe statements, without context, about not finding light switches. My guess is people new to the office needed help learning where everything was on the first day or something like that. Who cares?
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