Why China is Kicking Our Ass

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Re: Why China is Kicking Our Ass

Postby windwalker on Tue Jan 24, 2017 9:40 pm

Be worried, very worried.

China had a plan

Dominance. The strategic implications of this growing imbalance are vast, particularly for defense and energy. Wind turbines and electric cars have become clean energy symbols, but they are merely final products, the visible results of a supply chain that spans international borders and, for the most part, is largely overlooked by policymakers. At the bottom of this chain, at its most basic level, are rare-earth metals mined from the Earth's crust and made into magnets or other parts, then put into motors or batteries.

China's dominance in this arena, and its displacement of American leadership, are not accidental. In 1992, Deng Xiaoping, then the country's most powerful politician, outlined a plan. "The Middle East has oil; we have rare earths," he said. "We must develop these rare earths." Today this phrase is emblazoned, like a campaign slogan, across the roof of at least one Chinese factory.

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Why is this important

The metals W.R. Grace needed belong to a group known as "rare earths." They are the backbone of the Information Age and, potentially, the clean energy future. They are in iPods, Blackberrys, and plasma TVs. They are powerful and compact; they are exceedingly efficient. In many cases, there are no substitutes. On the periodic table, they have their own section, 17 metals in all, reflecting their unique atomic structure.


In many cases, there are no substitutes. :o


Used to argue with some about the difference between China and the US...In this case it was with those
always trying to put China down by comparisons to the US.

For example: China manipulates its currency.
The US controls interest rates, end result is a strong or weak dollar.

One could go down each line item and find
comparable practices or polices that the US uses or enacts.
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Re: Why China is Kicking Our Ass

Postby windwalker on Tue Jan 24, 2017 9:52 pm

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looks simple until one actually tries to play ;)
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Re: Why China is Kicking Our Ass

Postby grzegorz on Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:54 pm

chud wrote:China is "winning" because it doesn't play by the rules in trade, currency, or security:

- China violates its neighbor's sovereignty in the South China Sea.
- China does not honor its WTO trade commitments.
- China manipulates its currency.

The reason they've gotten away with this is because for the last 8 years Obama has had a policy of appeasement; every time he tried to make China back down on any of those 3 things, they've stood firm and Obama has flinched.


If you study your recent history you will find that China becomes econmically stronger despite whether it is a Republican or Democrat in the WH.

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With Trump, if he is there long, I imagine that they will get their ducks in the row to overtake us despite us pulling out of the Paris Climate Agreement even though China will stay in. Who are the back stabbing cheats now?
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Re: Why China is Kicking Our Ass

Postby grzegorz on Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:57 pm

BREAKING: China Deploys Nuclear ICBM System In 'Response to Trump's Provocative Remarks'

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/china- ... bm-system/


And some thought Obama sucked... :P

Xi Jinping’s gave a powerful speech at Davos, in which he essentially laid Chinese claim to the mantle of global neoliberalism, and now the Chinese are moving to project their power – believing that Trump’s “America First” doctrine has created a “superpower vacuum.”
Additionally, on Monday, a senior Chinese diplomat said that Beijing is prepared to “assume a role of world leadership if others step back from that position” after U.S. President Donald Trump pledged in his inaugural address to put “America first.” Many international observers have perceived this move as signaling a U.S. retreat from leading the post-WWII neoliberal alliance.

Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/china- ... Jmo34Q2.99
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Re: Why China is Kicking Our Ass

Postby bailewen on Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:28 am

chud wrote:
The reason they've gotten away with this is because for the last 8 years Obama has had a policy of appeasement; every time he tried to make China back down on any of those 3 things, they've stood firm and Obama has flinched.

Well, fwiw, the TPP was supposed to reign in China and Trump just canceled that.

- China violates its neighbor's sovereignty in the South China Sea.
Debatable. Who do you mean? Either way, the America First policy will, as I posted back in November on Facebook, make that a LOT easier for China.


- China does not honor its WTO trade commitments.

I haven't followed that one. Details? Links?

- China manipulates its currency.

Yes. We all do. That's never been a secret. China kept the Yuan pegged at 8.3 to the dollar for quite a long time, although they let it start moving about 4 or 5 years ago. The direction they let the markets dictate but they just never allowed it to move more than a certain amount. One notable exception was the week after Trump announced his chat with the "president of Taiwan". It's not like there's anything illegal to what they were doing there though. I mean, the way they "manipulate" is has been mostly by buying up (or selling) US debt, and sometime dollars.

Either way, I am not clear why that last one is supposed to be terrible.

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Re: Why China is Kicking Our Ass

Postby bailewen on Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:30 am

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Interesting.

Right around where those lines cross is the year when I finally started getting paid a western salary out here.
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Re: Why China is Kicking Our Ass

Postby windwalker on Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:39 am

Have always thought and found China and the Chinese to be very pragmatic and long term in their thinking. No matter what one thinks of the “Trump” my take is that it will work out for both countries and bring to light many things that needed to be addressed if not now they would be in the future.
Just happens to be now….This applies not only to China but many other old world orders.

Status quo is not always a good thing…

If US does not to get its act together it will continue to be on a down hill slide, it might be to late to revers this.
Time will tell, the last 8 years have been very divisive for the country. The previous administrations
prior to Obama, were also flawed in many aspects.

America first, is something that most other countries do as a matter of course.
It's about time the US starts addressing its own problems.
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Re: Why China is Kicking Our Ass

Postby grzegorz on Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:44 am

Isolationism never works as we are all about see.

Meanwhile president twitter is still obsessed about not winning the popular vote.

Four more years of this?
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Re: Why China is Kicking Our Ass

Postby grzegorz on Thu Feb 02, 2017 1:18 am

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The Dongfeng-41 (DF-41, CSS-X-10) (simplified Chinese: 东风-41; traditional Chinese: 東風-41; literally: "East Wind-41"), is a Chinese solid-fueled road-mobile intercontinental ballistic missile in the flight-test stage of development.

It has an operational range between 12,000 km[3] to 15,000 km.[1] This would make the DF-41 the world's longest range missile, surpassing the range of the US LGM-30 Minuteman which has a reported range of 13,000 km.[4][5] It is believed to have a top speed of Mach 25,[2] and to be capable of MIRV delivery (up to 10).[3] The development of the MIRV technology is reported to be in response to the deployment of the United States national missile defense system which degrades China's nuclear deterrence capability.[6] The project started in 1986,[3] and may now be coupled with the JL-2 program.
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Re: Why China is Kicking Our Ass

Postby Strange on Fri Feb 03, 2017 5:42 pm

grzegorz wrote: president twit


i think you meant this
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Re: Why China is Kicking Our Ass

Postby grzegorz on Sat Feb 04, 2017 2:53 am

Another reason why...

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Strange wrote:
grzegorz wrote: president twit


i think you meant this
you're welcomed


Thanks!
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Re: Why China is Kicking Our Ass

Postby Strange on Sun Feb 05, 2017 3:55 pm

anyone has any updates on the F-35? :D
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Re: Why China is Kicking Our Ass

Postby grzegorz on Sun Feb 05, 2017 6:27 pm

Supposedly because of Trump they have cut costs. Meanwhile the one Chinese DF-41 can take out ten American cities with one push of a button.
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Re: Why China is Kicking Our Ass

Postby grzegorz on Sun Feb 05, 2017 9:30 pm

Russia, China Sign Deal to Bypass Us Dollar | Al Jazeera America

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Re: Why China is Kicking Our Ass

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