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Games countries play

Postby KEND on Sat Jan 21, 2017 5:17 am

I was thinking about various countries and the strategies they use to conquer. Among the superpowers: Russia-chess, attack and destroy, classic military. USA: poker, depends on successful bluffs and escalating force. China Wei Chi [Go] surround and isolate the enemy, at the moment they have bought up natural resources and are setting up ports to become a maritime power.
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Re: Games countries play

Postby Strange on Sat Jan 21, 2017 11:33 pm

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Re: Games countries play

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Re: Games countries play

Postby Taste of Death on Sat Jan 21, 2017 11:53 pm

Micronesia. Bingo.

It's worked so far.
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Re: Games countries play

Postby KEND on Sun Jan 22, 2017 4:10 am

Trump's recent actions would make him a skilled poker player except I suspect he would have too many physical 'tells' at the table. His apparent irrational behavior pattern is ideal for a bluffing situation. Examples: In the inauguration speech he moved away from attacking Obama and focused on dissing Dubya but curiously Cheney, one of the architects of the Iraq war is one of his advisers. He dissed a war hero but was [like Cheney] essentially a draft dodger. He has a Joyce like stream of consciousness need to say what is on his mind, blurting out things which men say to their pals but never in public.[I am sure Clinton, Kennedy and particularly Johnson said equally gross things in private, that is the nature of the macho culture]. He has a world view in which there are friends and enemies, a clan mentality more suited to the mafia than a modern society. In other words he is a 'wild card', betting on a jack high rather than a full house.
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Re: Games countries play

Postby Strange on Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:18 am

KEND wrote:Trump's recent actions would make him a skilled poker player except I suspect he would have too many physical 'tells' at the table. His apparent irrational behavior pattern is ideal for a bluffing situation.


... or he just might not know what he is doing.

while i do not doubt that he has latched onto a major portion of sentiments of americans,
i.e. giving them the american dream, being great again, etc.
what you are actually and exactly going to do is another whole different ball of wax than
giving rousing speeches, chest thumping and yelling You-As-Ay.

unlike the game of self-promotion, saying so does not make it so.

the best part for me is: you don't even have to really care about it.
as long as you understand what people want and need, and then you go ahead and say
you're going to give it to them, they're gonna treat you like a hero.

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Re: Games countries play

Postby Strange on Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:21 am

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Re: Games countries play

Postby windwalker on Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:16 am

He dissed a war hero but was [like Cheney] essentially a draft dodger.


"dissed a war hero" who commented on and attacked those that supported him, helps to put it in context.

you might try asking a draft dodger to find out what a draft dodger is before making the statement. ::)
His team, has a proven track record, to suggest that they don't know or understand deal making is funny if not ignorant.
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Re: Games countries play

Postby windwalker on Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:22 am

... or he just might not know what he is doing.


And your qualifier? what would lead one to come to this conclusion?

Unless one likes the status quo. It would seem that he's put the world leaders on notice.

whether one agrees with it or not. They understand that the game has changed and they'er not
dealing with someone who does not understand the rules. On the contrary it's they who need to
get with the new rules.....

yep

BERLIN (AP) — German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier says U.S. President Donald Trump’s election marks the end of an era, and Berlin will move quickly to secure “close and trusting trans-Atlantic cooperation based on common values” with the new administration.

Steinmeier wrote in Bild newspaper on Sunday that “with the election of Donald Trump, the old world of the 20th century is finally over” and “how the world of tomorrow will look is not settled.”

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/01 ... y-finally/
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Re: Games countries play

Postby yeniseri on Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:42 am

I would add "At what cost"!

When the monarchy was able to control the world (i.e pre democracy era) certain families were able to secure a hold on nations where others were not so capable. Now we have a type of democratic guile, democratic fascists, democratic socialists, etc where the people actually vote these types of isms ??? without coersion. And better yet, although the people may have spoken, secondary institutions (US Electoral College) perform a function that usurps the will of the people. And they are legal. Sometimes these games take a hold of other spheres of life (economic, socio-cultural, religious, etc) that they get a life of their own. LIke when a lie is said over time, it morphs into something so preposterous that at times it is seen as truth.

Weiqi strategy may not have been the intent but sometimes unforseen variables (as in weiqi strategy, changing alliances, enemy of my enemy, etc) actually dictates plan of action and its direction. Who would have imagined that GOP hero Nixon, the one who instigated the plan to make China an economic ally (just think that Cuba can fit into a province of both China and Russia ;D ) would allow debt financing to be held by a hybrid communist/socialist economic stalwart nation while preventing the same inroads into countries that have the same base as China, Russia, etc

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Re: Games countries play

Postby windwalker on Sun Jan 22, 2017 3:17 pm

And better yet, although the people may have spoken, secondary institutions (US Electoral College) perform a function that usurps the will of the people.


Can you explain how its unsurps the will of the people when they participated in a system that was established to allow the states to elect the person who presides over the executive branch of a federal republic.

“With a firm grip on the presidency, Congress, and soon the Supreme Court, Republicans have won more political power in 2016 than in any election since at least 1928, when Herbert Hoover was elected to the White House. Democrats now face a deep hole they need to climb out of to fight back against the coming reactionary policy shift of the pending Trump administration and its allied state governments.”

Do all other direct elections not reflect the will of the people?
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Re: Games countries play

Postby Strange on Sun Jan 22, 2017 4:51 pm

well windwalker,
how's about we do it this way?
if trump gets impeached outside of his first 9-month term, you win?
otherwise you owe me a case of beer :D

the unofficial word in Vegas is 4 to 1 odds, trump lasts 6 months
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Re: Games countries play

Postby windwalker on Sun Jan 22, 2017 5:02 pm

Strange wrote:well windwalker,
how's about we do it this way?
if trump gets impeached outside of his first 9-month term, you win?
otherwise you owe me a case of beer :D

the unofficial word in Vegas is 4 to 1 odds, trump lasts 6 months


How about we just drink the case of beer ;)

As I've mentioned in the past,,to me he's the first 3rd party elected president.
Others have mentioned which I would agree with is that the biggest worry is the GOP.

A lot of these guys have been in office to long,,same for the DEM....in this sense to me they
both are the same....
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Re: Games countries play

Postby yeniseri on Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:52 pm

windwalker wrote:
And better yet, although the people may have spoken, secondary institutions (US Electoral College) perform a function that usurps the will of the people.


Can you explain how its unsurps the will of the people when they participated in a system that was established to allow the states to elect the person who presides over the executive branch of a federal republic.

“With a firm grip on the presidency, Congress, and soon the Supreme Court, Republicans have won more political power in 2016 than in any election since at least 1928, when Herbert Hoover was elected to the White House. Democrats now face a deep hole they need to climb out of to fight back against the coming reactionary policy shift of the pending Trump administration and its allied state governments.”

Do all other direct elections not reflect the will of the people?


1. The popular view that the one/ the group, the winner, etc is the one who won by having more votes but this has proven to be a lie though it is grounded precedent and therefore legal.
2. More people voted for Hillary then Trump. I realize that it is said that USA is not a democracy but a representative democracy (big difference) and that is the kicker.
3. We did not vote for Trump but the legal implication overrules any populist sentiment though the latter can serve as a downfall when the people imagine they own the platform and therefore it is they who elected Trump
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Re: Games countries play

Postby windwalker on Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:11 pm

1. The popular view that the one/ the group, the winner, etc is the one who won by having more votes but this has proven to be a lie though it is grounded precedent and therefore legal.


Its the way the system was set up to work. Why is it a lie?

"The two great points of difference between a democracy and a republic are: first, the delegation of the government, in the latter, to a small number of citizens elected by the rest; secondly, the greater number of citizens, and greater sphere of country, over which the latter may be extended.

The effect of the first difference is, on the one hand, to refine and enlarge the public views, by passing them through the medium of a chosen body of citizens, whose wisdom may best discern the true interest of their country, and whose patriotism and love of justice will be least likely to sacrifice it to temporary or partial considerations.

Under such a regulation, it may well happen that the public voice, pronounced by the representatives of the people, will be more consonant to the public good than if pronounced by the people themselves, convened for the purpose.

On the other hand, the effect may be inverted. Men of factious tempers, of local prejudices, or of sinister designs, may, by intrigue, by corruption, or by other means, first obtain the suffrages, and then betray the interests, of the people. "
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed10.asp

outlines the system by which we now use.

Even so the US went though a big change in direction, at local levels of gov.

“With a firm grip on the presidency, Congress, and soon the Supreme Court, Republicans have won more political power in 2016 than in any election since at least 1928, when Herbert Hoover was elected to the White House. Democrats now face a deep hole they need to climb out of to fight back against the coming reactionary policy shift of the pending Trump administration and its allied state governments.”


Remains to be seen how this works out....
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