Trump is Hitler? Oh, seriously?

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Re: Trump is Hitler? Oh, seriously?

Postby Steve James on Sun Feb 26, 2017 2:21 pm

Oooops, someone slipped and did make a Hitler comparison, ... well, allusion. It happened like this:

[Trump's] senior policy adviser Stephen Miller’s declaration on CBS’ “Face The Nation” that “our opponents, the media and the whole world will soon see as we begin to take further actions, that the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned” was met with this response (in an open letter in the Miami Herald).

"What you do “will not be questioned?” Lord, have mercy. That’s the kind of statement that, in another time and place, would have been greeted with an out-thrust palm and a hearty “Sieg heil!” Here in this time and place, however, it demands a different response: Just who the hell do you think you are?

Meaning you and all the other trolls you have brought clambering up from under their bridges. Maybe you didn’t notice, but this is the United States of America. Perhaps you’ve heard of it? Nation of laws, not of individuals? First Amendment? Freedom of the press? Any of that ringing a bell?

Let’s be brutally clear here. If you were a smart guy with unimpeachable integrity and a good heart who was enacting wise policies for the betterment of all humankind, you’d still be subject to sharp scrutiny from news media, oversight from Congress, restraint by the judiciary — and public opinion.
[snipped to the end]....

And let me tell you something about those bosses. They’re unruly and loud, long accustomed to speaking their minds without fear or fetter. And they believe power must always answer to the people. That’s at the core of their identity. Yet you and your coterie of cartoon autocrats think you’re going to cow them into silence and compliance by ordering them to shut up and obey? Well, as a freeborn American, I can answer that in two syllables flat.

Hell no.


Sure, one can argue that it's just another attack by a leftist, liberal member of the dishonest press. He does, however, remind us that the president serves and answers to "the people" including those who voted for him, those who didn't, and those in between.
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Re: Trump is Hitler? Oh, seriously?

Postby windwalker on Sun Feb 26, 2017 6:19 pm


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72G5b85pPwY

He does answer to the people, by bypassing the media it's direct not filtered.
He and his administration have both asked the people to call them on what they do, and what they don't do.
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Re: Trump is Hitler? Oh, seriously?

Postby Taste of Death on Sun Feb 26, 2017 8:18 pm

windwalker wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72G5b85pPwY

He does answer to the people, by bypassing the media it's direct not filtered.
He and his administration have both asked the people to call them on what they do, and what they don't do.


The people have spoken
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/26/trump-to-address-nation-sandbagged-by-record-low-approval-rating-nbcwsj-poll.html
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Re: Trump is Hitler? Oh, seriously?

Postby windwalker on Sun Feb 26, 2017 8:34 pm

"Poll analysis: Trump victory all but impossible based on previous races"
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/11/how-clin ... races.html

::)
what poll should one believe, why would one believe another poll by the same source.

On the other hand real actions not being reported by mainstream news.

"Lost in most of the coverage of President Trump’s decision to rescind the Obama administration’s transgender mandates is a fundamental legal reality — the Trump administration just relinquished federal authority over gender-identity policy in the nation’s federally funded schools and colleges. In other words, Trump was less authoritarian than Obama. And that’s not the only case.

Consider the following examples where his administration, through policy or personnel, appears to be signaling that the executive branch intends to become less intrusive in American life and more accountable to internal and external critique."

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... rian-obama"
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Re: Trump is Hitler? Oh, seriously?

Postby Taste of Death on Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:13 pm

windwalker wrote:"Poll analysis: Trump victory all but impossible based on previous races"
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/11/how-clin ... races.html

::)
what poll should one believe, why would one believe another poll by the same source.

On the other hand real actions not being reported by mainstream news.


It was a NBC/WSJ poll. WSJ stands for Wall Street Journal. Here is another Trump supporter, the Washington Times:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/26/nbcwall-street-journal-poll-president-trump-approv/
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Re: Trump is Hitler? Oh, seriously?

Postby Steve James on Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:38 pm

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Re: Trump is Hitler? Oh, seriously?

Postby windwalker on Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:49 pm

Taste of Death wrote:
windwalker wrote:"Poll analysis: Trump victory all but impossible based on previous races"
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/11/how-clin ... races.html

::)
what poll should one believe, why would one believe another poll by the same source.

On the other hand real actions not being reported by mainstream news.


It was a NBC/WSJ poll. WSJ stands for Wall Street Journal. Here is another Trump supporter, the Washington Times:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/26/nbcwall-street-journal-poll-president-trump-approv/



http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... ex_history

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 53% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance. Forty-seven percent (47%) disapprove.

The latest figures include 37% who Strongly Approve of the way Trump is performing and 38% who Strongly Disapprove. This gives him a Presidential Approval Index rating of -1. (see trends).


Trump's polling has actually improved starting out from historic lows.
Given the establishment is fighting back from all sides, the polling numbers are probably something one would expect at this time
and should improve as time goes by.

6 months from now will be more indicative of how this administration is doing.
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Re: Trump is Hitler? Oh, seriously?

Postby klonk on Fri Mar 03, 2017 9:08 am

Trump's polling results now depend on how things go in his tussle with the media.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... -office-8/
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Re: Trump is Hitler? Oh, seriously?

Postby Steve James on Fri Mar 03, 2017 9:20 am

Well, polls change. But, I don't like the idea of the info coming from the Washingtontimes. Not because it's unreliable, but because it's one of Trump's "approved" distributor of information. I.e., the Washingtonpost isn't. So, imo, the polls are meaningless. Trump's approval rating, aopt to his disapproval rating, will go up as his more extreme threats are modulated. He promised IS would be done in his first 30 days. He's signed quite a few orders, but nothing much has changed. And, that's a relatively good thing. He's becoming less terrifying to those who weren't terrified before.

Anyway, it'd be great if people could actually celebrate something that he has accomplished. Congress, otoh, has been doing a lot of stuff that will certainly affect Trumpland that has nothing at all to do with the man. He just signs. So far. And, remember, we all hope that we're wrong about Mr. T, and that he can learn to become, as you've said "moderately competent."
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Re: Trump is Hitler? Oh, seriously?

Postby windwalker on Fri Mar 03, 2017 12:18 pm

And, remember, we all hope that we're wrong about Mr. T, and that he can learn to become, as you've said "moderately competent."


show me where I said "moderately competent"

Don't know what you or anyone else hopes for. As I've noted in the past "Trump" to me is a 3rd party elected candidate, as such
the push back as shown is quite intense and far reaching from all sides. He's not a politician, he's still transitioning from a business world
to a political one. Being a business man, I expect him and his team to come up to speed very quickly,,,they'er just starting out and have made
some miss steps.


The Department of Justice unsealed a complaint against a journalist who made national headlines for fabricating stories after he allegedly conducted a campaign of harassment against at least eight Jewish community centers while cyberstalking his ex-girlfriend on Friday.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... -reporter/

Thirty-year-old Juan Thompson, a former journalist fired last year for allegedly making up quotes and sources, was arrested in St. Louis in connection with multiple threats against Jewish centers, including some in the tri-state area.
Banksy's Art in West Bank Hotel With World's 'Worst View'

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/AD ... 19653.html

for those feeling hate crimes are increasing as reported, might want to check whats really increasing.
"fake news"
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Re: Trump is Hitler? Oh, seriously?

Postby Steve James on Fri Mar 03, 2017 12:19 pm

show me where I said "moderately competent"


Chill dude. I wasn't even thinking of you when I wrote. Really. It ain't about you. Thanks.
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Re: Trump is Hitler? Oh, seriously?

Postby BruceP on Fri Mar 03, 2017 12:31 pm

Polls don't mean a thing. MSM shares the same cred as Sylvia Browne.

Pundits and panelists and political analysts

You keep lyin' when you oughta be truthin'
You keep losin' when you oughta not bet
You keep samin' when you oughta be a'changin'
What's RIGHT is right but you ain't been right yet
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Re: Trump is Hitler? Oh, seriously?

Postby klonk on Fri Mar 03, 2017 3:40 pm

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=genetic+fallacy

A thing is true or false quite apart from who says so.
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Re: Trump is Hitler? Oh, seriously?

Postby klonk on Fri Mar 03, 2017 3:43 pm

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/mik ... r-contempt

The above site says "exposing and combatting liberal media bias" right in its masthead. Does that make the story true or false?
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Re: Trump is Hitler? Oh, seriously?

Postby Steve James on Fri Mar 03, 2017 3:55 pm

That's right. Something is either true or false. It doesn't matter what it says on a site's masthead.

What I said was that polls don't matter, but I meant that a poll report given by a news agency that is approved matters even less. When an official or his representative says don't accept information from one (major) news source but only from the sources he selects, then I am suspicious of that source. It's a very Russian model, and looks like state-sponsored journalism.
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