Trump is Hitler? Oh, seriously?

[Ian C. Kuzushi]

But, then people like you come along and try and use mental jujitsu to get around the obvious.

I see myself as a realist. It will take more than a department head cynical about the roles and practices of the organization to get rid of a department. Any elimination of departments is the job of Congress. Departments have a grotesque and ingrown life of their own, and that is what, I hope, will be deconstructed.

Bannon said that they are going to deconstruct these departments. What's the argument?

The argument is what that means. Go source the Bannon quotes, consider the claims in the Kos article and get back to me. A peek at the dictionary would not be amiss.

In case anyone got overly sidetracked by the Russian spy drama, the following bills HAVE been introduced in the past few days:
1. HR 861 Terminate the Environmental Protection Agency
2. HR 610 Vouchers for Public Education
3. HR 899 Terminate the Department of Education
4. HJR 69 Repeal Rule Protecting Wildlife
5. HR 370 Repeal Affordable Care Act
6. HR 354 Defund Planned Parenthood
7. HR 785 National Right to Work (this one ends unions)
8. HR 83 Mobilizing Against Sanctuary Cities Bill
9. HR 147 Criminalizing Abortion (“Prenatal Nondiscrimination Act”)
10. HR 808 Sanctions against Iran

[Ian C. Kuzushi]

Discuss.

Hitler's backers thought government should do more, much more. Trump's backers say we should have less of that.

Nobody did.

I thought I did. I asked you who here had called Trump Hitler. Eventually, Micheal came on and had found some people on the net that had. Of course, anyone can find anything on the net. I still don't see anyone calling him Hitler on this forum. If you can show me where, I will gladly admit I was mistaken.

[klonk]

The Trump and Hitler trope is at large in the public dialog. If you don't see that, remind your practice partners that uchimata properly ends with the impact on your back and not your head.

[klonk]

Discuss.

Hitler's backers thought government should do more, much more. Trump's backers say we should have less of that.

Nobody did.

I thought I did. I asked you who here had called Trump Hitler. Eventually, Micheal came on and had found some people on the net that had. Of course, anyone can find anything on the net. I still don't see anyone calling him Hitler on this forum. If you can show me where, I will gladly admit I was mistaken.

Try focusing the question more narrowly. It is not about you.

[Steve James]

Well, now it's funny hearing people argue about the difference between "deconstruction" (the French literary technique/theory) and the word "deconstruction" in common English. If it were a graduate level literary journal, the use of the word deconstruction by someone at the Daily Kos might be worth discussing, since no reader would need a dictionary of literary terms to understand.

But, the meta argument about the word in order to justify Trump's statements in general have nothing to do with whether or how much Bannon would like to "deconstruct" certain agencies. Does he mean to find the hidden meaning in them? Or does he mean to reduce, limit or diminish their authority? There's a straight answer to that which doesn't require graduate study.

[Ian C. Kuzushi]

try focusing

Yeah, I was focusing on the question and the title of the thread that you started. My point was that no one here has made that comparison seriously. I also don't see it being said on mainstream media or really all that often at all (sometimes in a hyperbolic way such as "Mango Mussolini" and the like). In other words, it just seems like a distraction. You guys are good at that. For example, I talk about governmental agencies being dismantled, and you say "I'm a realist, that takes Congressional action." Then I post recent Congressional action aiming to dismantle agencies, and well, nothing.

So, the point is, no one is calling Trump Hitler. But, people are pointing out when he lies, cheats, and does outrageous stuff. Then the conservatives invariably say, "Well Obama did it!" As though that makes any sense considering the shit y'all talked about him for years and years. Or, you distract. Or pretend you don't know right from wrong (as if the Milo issue is really about "free speech" and not having your own token gay to prove that you were right all along and that transgender people are going to attack our kids in the bathrooms and gays are sick, etc...) Oops, that backfired--but was transparent all along.

We even have GW Bush coming out and deriding Trump. And Graham. And McCain. What will it take? I thought you guys didn't like the Russians? Now literally anything is okay and defensible. Yup, way to stick with your values. Fuck it. Go Grab em by the you know what. Lie, cheat, steal. What a role model we have.

[klonk]

If you are not going to look to the business of less or more government, I am afraid you never will understand what put Trump into office. If you don't get it that Bannon is really quite the intellectual, at least to the point that he is capable of using big words, you are unlikely to see why Trump is likely to succeed in at least some of his aims.

Instead of a discussion of broad cultural movements and social forces we got...well, what did we get, really? As we said years ago, gotta love the Flowah. We now return you to your regular programming...

[Ian C. Kuzushi]

You are really so out of touch with reality that you are questioning my understanding of "big words?" Yeah, you are.

I'm not surprised that Bannon is your hero. He is no intellectual giant. At least not compared to the people I talk with every day face to face. Get a clue, get a heart, and get a life.

[Ian C. Kuzushi]

Hey. Where is Dmitri, the champion of challenging hyperbolic thread titles? This one is clearly bullshit, as are all the arguments being forwarded by Klonk (still waiting for a reply about the Congressional machinations). Not to mention that Klonk's new intellectual hero has no pedigree related to what we were talking about, and is also a wife beater and anti-Semite to boot. Watch out, your true colors are showing.

Oh, does he only come down on sensationalist thread titles that are perceived to come from the left? Dmitri?

[klonk]

Perhaps the cynics are right: Conservatives are thinking and unfeeling. Liberals are feeling and unthinking.

[Ian C. Kuzushi]

Yeah, probably not. Check out Buckley and Chomsky. Noam was only invited on once, and the reason was clear. Of course, there have been countless peer reviewed studies that illustrate that higher education and especially graduate education corresponds with liberal leaning.

Something that the internet seems to have done is to make everyone think they are just as smart as everyone else. Hey, I get it. No one wants to admit they are stupid. No one (aside from hiring committees and intelligent people) seem to put any stock into someone's academic training, pedigree, or aptitude. Of course, you will bring it up, but when I point to the lack of impressiveness of your model, you don't say anything. You also still dodge the substance of my points listed above.

If you showed any sort of loyalty to traditional conservatism, you would get much less of a hard time from me. Rather, you just carry on with obfuscation and avoid the real policy points and facts.

[Ian C. Kuzushi]

Gee, who is emotional and who is learned? And Buckley was the best they could muster.

[klonk]

It is all rather amiss from the topic I raised. I think that you will find, with maturing years, that several things are more interesting and pleasant with a partner, rather than by yourself. Political intercourse is just one of them. If you enter a political discussion convinced that one who disagrees with you is wrong, bad, evil, and stupid, then that limits the scope of discussion. It is a bit like the young boy who wants to go dating but thinks all girls are hoes deep down. He will invariably find what he is looking for.

[Ian C. Kuzushi]

Those are some more strange comments. I have a Fiance, and we've been together for about six years. Never really been without a partner in crime once since I turned 25, and that was well over a decade ago. Like I said, if I thought or witnessed you actually supporting any sort of consistent values or beliefs, you wouldn't get such a hard time. But, you are blatantly hypocritical. Obama was a socialist/communist, and was going to ruin the country (or at least the economy). Huh, seem like the opposite happened. Those pesky facts and numbers!

It is true that I decided to see how far I could take my new career after becoming a journeyman in several construction trades and teaching MA professionally. Why not stay green, as I call it. It turns out that if you are really good (or maybe just really lucky) it can actually pay to make it into a top tier school in order to study history, although the workload is pretty insane even compared to my 16 hr workdays as a playground builder.

I enjoy a challenge, I enjoy my fiance and our boy (a Plott Hound), I enjoy surrounding myself with people better than me. My judo sensei, Dr. Tanaka recommended I do that and it seems to be working out pretty well so far.

[klonk]

Right over your head, I see.