Milo Out!

[Steve James]

It's interesting that people defend him without agreeing with him. Argue his points, if you know them.

[Michael]

You're getting pretty bossy there, Steve. The other line you like to use is speak for yourself.

[Steve James]

I just think you have gone to a lot of trouble to refute claims about Milo, and the reason is not because you agree with anything he says. But, yeah, speak for yourself. Leifeng talks about the "real" dangerous people. If I named one, there'd immediately be people saying that the left is trying to silence them. And then someone will post pages of commentaries and videos explaining that their pov is "not" something. So, it would end up that naming those people would just be advertisement for them.

As a result, I'm not going to try to find hateful things that Milo's said or try to prove he's a misogynist, etc. But, hey, you can spend all day proving that Milo's not as bad as they say, that the Alt-right isn't as bad as they say, etc.

You asked why I was open to free speech. I've always said --especially on RSF-- that people should just say what they believe. However, I don't post anti-White speakers because they don't speak for me, and they'd probably offend some. Milo just offended some people. But, he resigned because of what HE said, not because of "the left." But, I've spent too much time writing about him.

[Oh, afa calumny (i.e., slander, mud-slinging), it's ironic that the complaints come from people who've argued against "political correctness." But, it's hardly new. That's never been more obvious than in the last 8 years, and the "Mud-slinger-in-chief" is the ultimate complainer. Aopt to others we know. ]

[Michael]

Guilty as charged. In this discussion forum I have spent some of my free time going into detail about the topic of the discussion at hand. 30 days in the hole!

All I recall about the vids I've seen of Milo is a hilarious Queen who is promoting himself and free speech, pretty much in that order, just like you and Klonk have said. I think Milo has issues and they're obvious in the two vids that have landed him in hot water, but I also think he is a fighter for free speech.

Like I mentioned to Ian, he's not a serious topic, although I think the ideology behind his debating opponents is serious. We have time zone differences here, but if no one can point to Milo's hate speech, not blaming you Greg, I know you're working, then I'll try and google some of those up and discuss this with myself since none of the label affixers in the thread want to have a go and the loonies who are raped by non-existent hate speech are strong on Marx, but weak on footnotes, lol.

[Ian C. Kuzushi]

Like I mentioned to Ian, he's not a serious topic, although I think the ideology behind his debating opponents is serious.

And I think that he is not necessarily serious, but he implicitly forwards an actively dangerous ideology. Who has he debated who is "serious?" I am finally off the fence afa Bill M is concerned, not because he was nice to Milo, but because he compared him to Christopher Hitchens.

Milo has crusaded on many ridiculous and bigoted topics. One, that trans people pose some kind of threat to people in bathrooms. This is demonstrably false, and hypocritical coming from someone who supports pedophilia--and he did do that, so stop with the spin.

Also, you are now posting just like WW, which, I imagine, is why Steve said what he did. You post a massive amount of garbage from garbage sources that are overtly racist.

This next analogy may seem over the top, but it is a good illustration of my main problem with Milo. How many Jews did Hitler actually kill himself? Not any (or many?) that I am aware of, but his rhetoric--along with some socio-economic and religious currents--caused the Holocaust. Milo is clever. He tried to take it just to the edge. But he knew exactly what he was doing. Look at what all of his followers said and did to get him kicked off twitter. He is a figurehead of the Alt-Right, a movement that is behind the rise in anti-Semitic actions and attacks, the burning of Mosques and Churches, and now the stripping of legal protections for trans people. There are very real and dangerous consequences to his rhetoric, which I will point out whenever I see it. Just like I do with the BS that Windwalker and now you are posting.

This guy claims he was raped by Catholic priests, but is Catholic. Yet he has the audacity to warn of the dangers from trans persons using bathrooms? He and his ilk (him, Republican politicians, and Catholic priests) seem to be the clearer threat when it comes to sexual assaults or lascivious behavior.

Anyway, like I said. I think he should have spoken at both Davis and Berkeley, but he chose not to. Maybe it was all a gimmick to exaggerate this BS about free speech. Conservatives are all about free speech when it comes to bigoted insults, but when people (say, Kaepernick) peacefully exercise their rights to protest (while also donating to worthy causes), the conservatives freak out and tell them to leave the country. Go figure.

[Ian C. Kuzushi]

Whether it’s saying that “gay rights have made us dumber”, calling transgender people “mentally ill”, calling rape culture “a fantasy”, or being banned by Twitter for allegedly encouraging trolls to attack Ghostbusters actor Leslie Jones with a tirade of racist and sexist abuse, you can usually find him saying something pathologically awful.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... peech-free

[windwalker]

Watch out Michael, you're starting to step out of the echo chamber soon they will label you . the whole issue was really about free speech and the right of free speech and those who either want to moderated or prevent it altogether.

[Ian C. Kuzushi]

You are projecting again, oh king of the echo chamber. You have already admitted where you get your ideas and opinions from, as have I. One of these is the exact source of the term, echo chamber.

Next, you are going to post another commentary video justifying cops shooting an unarmed black guy in the back and proceed to call me a racist for calling you on your endless bs.

[grzegorz]

It's interesting that people defend him without agreeing with him. Argue his points, if you know them.

I agree if people enjoy Milo and don't see him as a peddler of hate then it simply means that his message rings true for them.

[grzegorz]

If anything these people should be protesting against Breitbart and CPAC.

[grzegorz]

One positive is that because of Milos I am now aware of Black Bloc and the rise of the hardline left.

[windwalker]

"Trigger" warning caution

for those who need it.

@Michael,

Thanks for the effort. My take away from it was that both sides were supporting trying to smear or expose Milo,
to silence him. Its unclear who or what is orchestrating it.

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it is interesting the mainstream media and others will soon be exposed just as the supposed protesters will be, just a matter of time.

Steve James wrote:
It's interesting that people defend him without agreeing with him. Argue his points, if you know them.

totally misses the point, the issue was and is freedom of speech.
don't need to agree with him to support his right to say what he wants.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBm9A0Vu-SM

[Steve James]

Do you support anti-Christian or anti-male speech? What about pederastia and child porn? Would it be OK for someone to give a speech at your kid's school promoting those things? Would you complain about parents or students who might be "offended"? Would you fight for someone's right to change his sex? I can post plenty of videos in support of those things.

Free speech in the United States is like freedom of religion and freedom of the press. I.e. Just bs propaganda. Watch what happens when it matters. We learn about all the exceptions we never knew. And the people who explain the exceptions are usually the first to complain when there is even a hint their freedom will be affected.

[Steve James]

Put Milo's name on some Hitler statements and there will be those who support him JUST because Jews or others might complain. Oh BTW the campaign against the media used to be promoted by the KKK as a fight against the "Jewish" media and the "Jew" York Times. So, when I hear Trump and the "alt-right" say the same thing, I get the same feeling.

[windwalker]

Do you support anti-Christian or anti-male speech? What about pederastia and child porn? Would it be OK for someone to give a speech at your kid's school promoting those things? Would you complain about parents or students who might be "offended"? Would you fight for someone's right to change his sex? I can post plenty of videos in support of those things.

Free speech in the United States is like freedom of religion and freedom of the press. I.e. Just bs propaganda. Watch what happens when it matters. We learn about all the exceptions we never knew. And the people who explain the exceptions are usually the first to complain when there is even a hint their freedom will be affected.

I did it for 20yrs in the military took an oath to support it, so others could act and say what they wanted as allowed by the Constitution.

You might try first understanding what are "rights" and what are not..

might start with this

The First Amendment guarantees freedoms concerning religion, expression, assembly, and the right to petition. It forbids Congress from both promoting one religion over others and also restricting an individual’s religious practices. It guarantees freedom of expression by prohibiting Congress from restricting the press or the rights of individuals to speak freely. It also guarantees the right of citizens to assemble peaceably and to petition their government.