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Maybe word >moron< isn`t very good choice to describe 25% of the ultracatholics / here in Poland/ minds, which desperately need omnipotent ruler. Anyway, problem is, that quite big part of the human race prefer: - do not use their brain! All what you need is- free lunch and promises. They are easy feed for wearing a new clothes Hitler idea followers. From another hand, you`re right about exporting culture. Waves of the emigrants are to big for Europe to chewing it easy. Yup, we are livin` in interesting times, definitively
Re: Sweden's Immigration Policy
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:20 am
by Steve James
Kind of the problem IMO they don't really abandon their culture.....they export it where ever they go....
"They" (the nazis and far right) said and say the same thing about Jews. Morons accepted that view, even though Jews were every bit as German as any other.
Being concerned about too many immigrants isn't moronic at all. But, the reasons given for that concern can be very, very stupid.
Re: Sweden's Immigration Policy
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:05 am
by grzegorz
Patrick wrote:
maybe partly the problems has to do with consequences of EU regulations.
This may even be the biggest contributing factor (in Europe) why the populists are so (duh!) popular. People are fed up with the EU and for good reason. I am not sure, if everyone is simply a moron who votes a right wing party member. Lets be honest, sometimes you have either the choice between someone who says "Everything is good like the way it is. Lets continue the way it is (If am clocking my ears, and closing my eyes, then there are no problems)" and then people who are fed up and simply want someone who promises them change.
maybe partly the problems has to do with consequences of EU regulations.
This may even be the biggest contributing factor (in Europe) why the populists are so (duh!) popular. People are fed up with the EU and for good reason. I am not sure, if everyone is simply a moron who votes a right wing party member. Lets be honest, sometimes you have either the choice between someone who says "Everything is good like the way it is. Lets continue the way it is (If am clocking my ears, and closing my eyes, then there are no problems)" and then people who are fed up and simply want someone who promises them change.
The good news is it is believed that because of Trump's example the far right lost in Holland
Re: Sweden's Immigration Policy
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:48 am
by grzegorz
Michael wrote:In one of the Trump threads I asked if ambulances in some cities in Sweden needed police escorts for the no-go zones. Here is a 6 minute video with English subtitles of an interview with the head of a paramedic's union saying yes, and it's because of dangers from immigrants blocking their entry, blocking their exit, surrounding them in large numbers of 20-30 people, threatening them and throwing things at them. He also mentions police have been the victims of hand grenade attacks by immigrants and that danger is a potential risk for ambulance workers also.
No go zones in Sweden have been reported a lot, not sure how it can be dismissed, and it is just one of several problems with the immigration policy in Sweden. Other reports suggest how widespread these problems are and how serious they may be, but there's a lot of information on the negative side to consider.
Breitbart wrote:Union boss Gordon Grattidge spoke to well respected Swedish journalist Paulina Neuding in an interview for think tank Det Goda Samhället (The Good Society) and discussed ambulances being forced to retreat from no gone zones on a regular basis after coming under attack from “large groups of violent people”.
Swedish journalists do everything in their power to maintain this image of "refugee children." One of the more grotesque examples is from 2011, when a reporter from Malmö's free daily paper, City, visited a housing project for young men, and placed a stuffed polar bear doll in the arms of Ahmad Farid from Afghanistan. Ahmad is said to be 16 years old, but looks considerably older.
So to make the Swedes perceive him as a defenseless child, the journalists use the stuffed animal as a prop. But not even the Swedes are that naïve.
I don't know if it's the same in other countries, but here, if you are 18 or below, you have a much better chance to stay and have much stronger rights compared to adults. So earlier, a lot of 19-25 years old lied about their age. But that was quite a while ago when people could cheat efficiently. Now you need valid papers in order to even be allowed to enter Sweden. We have the toughest rules on valid papers than any other EU country. We also order special medical examinations for age determination if there are any doubt.
grzegorz wrote:
Michael wrote:In one of the Trump threads I asked if ambulances in some cities in Sweden needed police escorts for the no-go zones. Here is a 6 minute video with English subtitles of an interview with the head of a paramedic's union saying yes, and it's because of dangers from immigrants blocking their entry, blocking their exit, surrounding them in large numbers of 20-30 people, threatening them and throwing things at them. He also mentions police have been the victims of hand grenade attacks by immigrants and that danger is a potential risk for ambulance workers also.
No go zones in Sweden have been reported a lot, not sure how it can be dismissed, and it is just one of several problems with the immigration policy in Sweden. Other reports suggest how widespread these problems are and how serious they may be, but there's a lot of information on the negative side to consider.
Breitbart wrote:Union boss Gordon Grattidge spoke to well respected Swedish journalist Paulina Neuding in an interview for think tank Det Goda Samhället (The Good Society) and discussed ambulances being forced to retreat from no gone zones on a regular basis after coming under attack from “large groups of violent people”.
The clip seems to be genuine. There are trouble for the ambulance to get through certain areas and the crew (we shouldn't call them paramedics, in Sweden they don't have the same high level of education as in the US. They are not equal to paramedics, but common nurses with special drivers practice) can feel threated. There's no doubt about that. But this guy has no clue about the term "no go zone" and merely repeat a trend in media that he has heard. What he means is that it feels like no go zones for them. He is not aware of that the term doesn't exist here and that the police never have used it. It's a fabrication. And he falls in the same trap as non-swedes do.
Here in Sweden we have very strict rules about work environment safety. We also always protect ourselves first. This means that the ambulance crew lives and work in a more exposed and unsecured environment than most of workplaces here. Swedes are not usually taking risks the way they do or the police is forced to do. ...so we tend to complain more about these things compared to people in many other countries that don't have the same strong workers's rights.
Re: Sweden's Immigration Policy
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 11:34 pm
by grzegorz
Bao wrote:
But this guy has no clue about the term "no go zone" and merely repeat a trend in media that he has heard. What he means is that it feels like no go zones for them. He is not aware of that the term doesn't exist here and that the police never have used it. It's a fabrication. And he falls in the same trap as non-swedes do.
Thanks that is pretty much what I figured. I have relatives in Hamburg and decades ago I was told (by other Hamburgers) to stay out of the Turkish neighborhood so of course I went to a Turkish neighbirhood and the Turks were very friendly probably because they were not used to tourists. I always tell Germans that the best food in Germany is in Turkish neighborhoods which they may not like but that was my experience.
Speaking of Germany I have also heard Germans say don't go to Poland as if anyone would get their car stolen as soon as they crossed the border. Of course some Poles probably say the same about Ukraine, etc...it is what Europeans say about their neighbors (in my experience) so yes I am not surprised that some Americans buy into these stories because people say the same thing about crime-ridden neighborhoods here.
Re: Sweden's Immigration Policy
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:35 pm
by vadaga
In recent memory, I've been to Germany Poland and Sweden and somehow managed to survive to tell the tale
Re: Sweden's Immigration Policy
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 4:27 pm
by windwalker
vadaga wrote:In recent memory, I've been to Germany Poland and Sweden and somehow managed to survive to tell the tale
The potential terror attack comes just one day after French police responded to a double murder in Paris by a mid-30s male who slit the throats of two while wearing traditional North African dress and reportedly while shouting “Allahu Akbar” and praying.
I wonder if those who had their throats slit, felt that they "manged to survive to tell the tale." They didn't, if they did I wonder what "tale" would they tell.
Re: Sweden's Immigration Policy
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:12 am
by RobP3
windwalker wrote: I wonder if those who had their throats slit, felt that they "manged to survive to tell the tale." They didn't, if they did I wonder what "tale" would they tell.
A terrible event but, seeing as how it was a "family drama" and the victims were Muslims, I doubt they would have said anything about it from the Breibart "perspective"
windwalker wrote: I wonder if those who had their throats slit, felt that they "manged to survive to tell the tale." They didn't, if they did I wonder what "tale" would they tell.
A terrible event but, seeing as how it was a "family drama" and the victims were Muslims, I doubt they would have said anything about it from the Breibart "perspective"
Sure makes sense, about your speed. That happened when, and what happened afterwards. It's ok, I hope your country can take even more in, might be good for business.
Re: Sweden's Immigration Policy
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:36 am
by windwalker
RobP3 wrote:
windwalker wrote: I wonder if those who had their throats slit, felt that they "manged to survive to tell the tale." They didn't, if they did I wonder what "tale" would they tell.
A terrible event but, seeing as how it was a "family drama" and the victims were Muslims, I doubt they would have said anything about it from the Breibart "perspective"
France, which has been the victim of a number of actual and attempted terror attacks in recent years put into place the well-rehearsed social media plan as news of the attack began to spread. The national emergency alert system ‘SAIP’ has been activated and declared the airport a red-alert zone, an update flashed to French mobile phones.
A tweet from the official government account pleaded with citizens to not spread rumors and speculation through Twitter.
Orly on lockdown Saturday morning / AP Images
The potential terror attack comes just one day after French police responded to a double murder in Paris by a mid-30s male who slit the throats of two while wearing traditional North African dress and reportedly while shouting “Allahu Akbar” and praying.
The killing of the attacker at Orly Saturday also comes six weeks after a similar incident at the Louvre museum in Paris, where a patrol of soldiers opened fire on an Egyptian national who charged the group with a machete while shouting “Allahu Akbar”. It is reported he also had a military style knife on his person, and was carrying a number of paint bombs in a rucksack and apparently intended to destroy historic works of art.
This story is developing
The same things happening for the same reasons now the new normal for some countries. The reaction that most talk about, is expected from those most affected....
The leadership in the counties who promoted this in the first place live behind protected walls, with armed security forces guarding them at all times all fail at their most basic responsibilities of protecting their own countries and the "citizens" living in them....
Re: Sweden's Immigration Policy
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 4:59 am
by Steve James
Hey Bao and Rob P, do you guys live in gated communities? Sorry to hear you do care about your own people.
Re: Sweden's Immigration Policy
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:28 am
by Bao
There are absolutely no gated communities here in Sweden or anything even close to a gated community.
Re: Sweden's Immigration Policy
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:00 am
by Trick
Sure there are some kind of gated communities i Sweden, in my hometown(Malmö) for example. Bao, go to Swedish Wikipedia and look up "Grindamhälle" .
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:07 am
