JKD straight lead or Fedor's jab?

[everything]

Which straight punch do you think is better, or do you think you'd prefer if you incorporated one of these?

1. JKD straight lead
a. vertical fist
b. strike with bottom 3 knuckles
c. center line always covered
d. shortest distance from A to B
e. elbow not far from ribs for as long
f. dominant hand

2. Fedor's jab
a. 45 deg angled down fist
b. strike with first 2 knuckles
c. no idea on center line
d. also not sure about distance
e. elbow leaves ribs longer but chin is automatically covered by shoulder
f. weaker or dominant hand?

[Ian]

are you sure about all that?

[everything]

are you sure about all that?

oh hell no, i think it's 10% probability it's at least somewhat right. but what do you think of the wrong (or corrected) comparisons?

i tried both and straight lead felt faster and easier but Fedor's jab felt safer (i am guessing if it's weaker hand jab, he is concerned about a dominant hand cross landing on his chin).

[Andy_S]

I have always concurred with the WC and boxing peeps' criticism of the JKD straight lead: It leaves the rear hand too far back to follow through quickly with the cross. This essentially makes you a one-handed fighter, as opposed to others who can follow up with the power hand.

[yusuf]

I saw a video where he was doing this but with an extended arm .. thats all i know

[Dmitri]

Don't know who that is, but that is one incredible photograph!

[mixjourneyman]

Don't know who that is, but that is one incredible photograph!

Wan Leisheng, famous Ziranmen master.

[mixjourneyman]

I like the jab.

[Ian]

Don't know who that is, but that is one incredible photograph!

angry, punchy, big-sinews-having ziranmen guy.

[Dmitri]

Thanks guys. That just made me dig up and revive the "truly badass" thread...

[baguamen22]

I have always concurred with the WC and boxing peeps' criticism of the JKD straight lead: It leaves the rear hand too far back to follow through quickly with the cross. This essentially makes you a one-handed fighter, as opposed to others who can follow up with the power hand.

That was actually the point, to use your lead hand 80% of the time. Plus, keep in mind that both WC and boxing typically have their posture more squared than other arts because of the lack of kicking.

The biggest difference between the boxing jab and JKD jab is that the boxing version is meant as a probe and set up for the cross; the JKD version is meant to actually be the main strike.

[DeusTrismegistus]

Bruce Lee differentiated between the straight Lead and the Jab. The straight lead was more commited than the jab and had more power. I don't think I would say the lead was Bruce Lees main strike, it was still a set up punch but he wanted it to be powerful enough to end a fight on its own.

I just watched a few Fedor fights and I never really saw him throw what I would call a jab.

[everything]

Bruce Lee differentiated between the straight Lead and the Jab. The straight lead was more commited than the jab and had more power. I don't think I would say the lead was Bruce Lees main strike, it was still a set up punch but he wanted it to be powerful enough to end a fight on its own.

That's what I thought. Jerome LeBanner is a K-1 kickboxer who incorporated the southpaw stance from JKD. Don't know if you'd call his straight right a jab or a straight lead. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome_Le_Banner

I just watched a few Fedor fights and I never really saw him throw what I would call a jab.

The funny thing is he seems to just throw big bombs, standing or on the ground. I know I've seen him jab like this, perhaps vs. Nog (?). This jab instruction is in his book.