GrahamB wrote:True - a lot of McGregor's punches that landed just seemed to have no effect on Floyd. I wonder why that was - I've heard a lot of theories - "too much Ido Portal playing tag" seems to be a popular one. The size of the gloves must also made a difference.
GrahamB wrote:It's crazy that when Conor's left hand touches you in MMA you go to sleep or fall down, and in boxing you just keep walking forward.
marvin8 wrote:McGregor's boxing is impressive against UFC fighters, not professional boxers . . . The problem is this is a boxing match, under boxing rules. McGregor is an amateur boxer, not professional. The range, setups (e.g., no kicks, teeps, limited hand fighting with closed gloves) and attacks are not the same in boxing.
I have not seen McGregor's ability to: jab, inside fight, body punches (He is a head hunter), defense (other than pull counter, use feet to move, not enough variety, too predictable showing patterns), bob and weave, slip punches, head movement, cut off the ring, set up punches, box backing up and fight against the ropes. McGregor seems to stand tall and be stiff in the hips, although he has good balance. His angles and positioning before and after punches is limited. His footwork and pivoting is also lacking.
everything wrote:more Qs
- McGregor is considered to be a good striker within UFC, and arguably best lb-for-lb fighter in UFC.
- after this match, assume he knows how to, and does improve his boxing quite a bit
- how do those improvements help his mma skill in a usable way, if at all? are all those skills helpful to his mma game?
everything wrote:very hypothetical. is he even going to continue?
also, will his mma pay go way up?
maybe he will keep going in boxing?
everything wrote:more Qs
- McGregor is considered to be a good striker within UFC, and arguably best lb-for-lb fighter in UFC.
- after this match, assume he knows how to, and does improve his boxing quite a bit
- how do those improvements help his mma skill in a usable way, if at all? are all those skills helpful to his mma game?
JOHNNY N, OCTOBER 17, 2013 wrote:All fighters, mixed martial artists, could benefit from learning how to box. Even if you don’t care for boxing techniques or boxing punches, you could still learn a lot. Boxing can make you a better athlete, improve your reflexes, make you smoother, and more comfortable in a fight. There’s a reason why all MMA camps have dedicated boxing trainers on staff.
Here are my 5 reasons why EVERY FIGHTER should pick up some boxing skills:
1. Punching functionality
The benefit of boxing punches:
• more power
• more speed
• more angles
• more efficiency
• more versatility
• better precision
• better timing
• better punching functionality overall
2. Reflex speed
The benefit of a boxer’s reflexes:
• faster attacking reflexes
• faster defending reflexes
• improved multi-tasking abilities (simultaneous offense & defense)
• improve overall natural fighting reflexes
3. Slickness
The benefit of a boxer’s slickness:
• increased efficiency
• ability to completely relax in a fight
• ability to completely shut down opponent’s attacks
• developed artistic expression and fight identity
4. Full intensity combat
The benefits of boxing sparring:
• practice/experience a brutal “fight” in a controlled environment
• experience the rawness of a fight at full intensity
• practice all your offensive and defensive weapons in actual combat mode
• learn how to deal with fight or flight reactions
• learn more realistic fighting methods
• great for building confidence and becoming relaxed in a fight
5. Collective Skill Environment
Benefits of a boxing environment:
• surrounded by pure fighters
• many fighters, many trainers, many styles, all battle-tested
• collective knowledge from centuries of experience
• absolutely BS-free learning environment
• absolutely proven fighting techniques
marvin8 wrote:
Here is a more general answer, not specific to McGregor's recent training. I thought this was a good article covering the benefits of training boxing, Why ALL Fighters Should Learn Boxing, https://www.expertboxing.com/boxing-basics/how-to-box/why-all-fighters-should-learn-boxing
Some excerpts:JOHNNY N, OCTOBER 17, 2013 wrote:All fighters, mixed martial artists, could benefit from learning how to box. Even if you don’t care for boxing techniques or boxing punches, you could still learn a lot. Boxing can make you a better athlete, improve your reflexes, make you smoother, and more comfortable in a fight. There’s a reason why all MMA camps have dedicated boxing trainers on staff.
windwalker wrote:marvin8 wrote:
Here is a more general answer, not specific to McGregor's recent training. I thought this was a good article covering the benefits of training boxing, Why ALL Fighters Should Learn Boxing, https://www.expertboxing.com/boxing-basics/how-to-box/why-all-fighters-should-learn-boxing
Some excerpts:JOHNNY N, OCTOBER 17, 2013 wrote:All fighters, mixed martial artists, could benefit from learning how to box. Even if you don’t care for boxing techniques or boxing punches, you could still learn a lot.
Boxing can make you a better athlete, improve your reflexes, make you smoother, and more comfortable in a fight. There’s a reason why all MMA camps have dedicated boxing trainers on staff.
I would not agree with the general premise.
Boxing is a highly skilled art that requires a lot of time and effort to build specific skill sets
Boxing skill sets are designed to function and be used within a very highly restrictive rule set.
Used to test long arm "hop gar" against people who did box not pro but they boxed, we put on the gloves
and banged away... Agreeing not to kick, long arm gave me the advantage because of the range and distance that I could hit them
while they where still out of range for their style and could not close without getting damaged in the process.
The targeting of boxers is limited, while with CMA what would be considered illegal in boxing is not.
Forearms, and arms where prime targets which in boxing is not legal.
Who wins? It's about training in boxing can make you a better Hop Gar fighter.
Imo, no one should study a martial art because it is "better" than another. I don't know any hop-gar guys, but I wouldn't claim than any of them could beat Tyson because of their style. I don't know how many hop-gar guys fight professionally as hop-gar guys.
The question has been posed countless times on MMA message boards: How would Mike Tyson have fared had he competed in the UFC?
According to the Brooklyn, N.Y., native, not very well. When asked by “UFC Tonight” host Chael Sonnen how he would have done in a fight against then-UFC tournament champion Royce Gracie, Tyson said he would not have possessed the technical tools to earn a victory against the grappler.
"Well, in '93, I was in prison, so there wouldn’t have been a fight, but there is no way I would have won,” said Tyson. “I had no idea what was going on with that type of fighting and would’ve been taken by surprise. I would have had to train in that particular art of fighting before that happened.
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