The Trump Fixation

[KEND]

The ongoing war of words between pro Trump and anti Trump supporters distracts from the main task which is to how to get a Democrat in the White House. On facebook I see pages of invective with people airing their frustrations. It may make you feel better but it does little to change the situation, saying Trump is stupid, sexist etc etc stiffens the resolve of the pro Trump supporters.
Demonstrations have also a limited effect, there is a tendency for people to go overboard and be labelled ‘crazies’.
No, Democrats must get down to some hard work at a grass roots level, appealing to the decency of the average person, proposing programs for the underprivileged, the average joe, couched in terms that can be understood, not some elitist talk that assumes you occupy the moral high ground. It needs someone who has charisma and fortitude, I am sure there is someone who would rise to the occasion
Below is a typical exchange on facebook which frankly have become boring.

XX’ Trump is the best thing to happen to America in my 30 years of life. Finally policies that protect the working man! Say screw you to the groveling bastard to lazy to work a drive thru, screw you to all these special interests that should rely on themselves, not my taxes. Screw you damn rioting liberals who are the exact problem you protest. And if one person that is talking shit can name the last signature on the declaration of independence, if you know what that is, then you get to speak to me otherwise go screw yourself you in American communist pricks
‘A’ You are the only one I see talking like a dumb ass and calling ppl out of their names! Smh
‘B’ you are a special kind of stupid. This president has done nothing for the middle-class or poor but feed them b******* and you're eating it with a silver spoon.lol
‘C’ Dumb...stupid... and ignorant!!!! That's how you're likely to be seen...based on your comments.
‘D’ If you've only lived 30 years you know absolutely nothing and are too young to even know that you know nothing
Like
‘E’ Thirty years! Cheese and rice, trump is worried about diaper heads and this child still has one wrapped around his butt. Stupid effing child. You tell me how long your spent in the military otherwise shut your dumb ass mouth.
‘F’ Danny boy you sure are stupid hick. People like you talk a lot of shot and have no balls to do anything positive. Do you hsve the female gene in you? You sure are a gossip girl.
‘E’ What century are you time warped in?
This country is heading for third world status under the present administration

[Steve James]

Civility starts at home. The pro v anti argument applies just as much to Obama, and to some extent Bush. Lambasting politicians rudely and cruelly with a viciousness that borders on hate started way back when Hillary was running against Obama. The later burning in effigy, assertions of un-American identity, loyalty to foreign interests, incompetence, shadiness, lack of common sense (and I'm talking of what people were saying about Obama) were almost expected.

But, you and I are old enough to know that it wasn't always that way. Blaming one side or the other is fruitless at this point. I agree that focusing on the issues rather than the individuals will be more productive. That is really simple. However, one problem is that the debates are not about issues. For example, forget Dem v Rep or right v left, why is the assertion made that what some want is to "replace and repeal Obamacare"? Wtf difference does the name make? All that's needed to get almost universal support is to explain how any new bill improves "Health Care." If you're someone with a pre-existing condition, do you care what the law is called, or are you more interested in whether it will continue to be covered?

When --and probably only if-- those grass roots people everyone talks about decide that they need to help each other as Americans first, but ideally as human beings, then they'll start working together. In this country, there are many who believe that it's impossible. They call each other names, and blame them for all their problems.

And, then there are value contradiction like this. Someone posted a picture of Obama on vacation with the caption "worst president in American history." The next comment was "He should be hanged." Then, "shoot him." So, me, I just ignored it. But, what do you know. The same person who posted the hang him comment posted asking if you believe in Jesus, type amen. How should one respond? (Actually, I'd say "like a Christian," but that's the contradiction. Who's forgiving enemies in these parts?).

That gets back to your first point. Don't expect people to rise above. Character is demonstrated, not requested. People who have no class, have no class. Yes, it would be much better for people to be honest, ethical, moral, and sometimes even rational. But that can be determined or observed person by person by what she does or doesn't do, what he says or doesn't say.

There's a lot of talk nowadays about "free speech." And, often it's brought up by people who feel restrained from saying negative things (especially about other people). Say something negative about them, and they invariably get upset. It doesn't matter, as long as we agree that everyone has the same rights. That gets into a discussion of American expectations and principles versus realities and practices. Add the internet and the ability for anyone to say anything, and the stage is set for the lowest common denominator of conversation.

[Steve James]

We need more of this.

[grzegorz]

Give it time.

I debate a lot of people (In person mostly) and I listen to them and just stick with the facts.

What I get from 45 supporters is that they are emotionally invested in his promises but realize he is not the leader they hoped for which is why I say give it time.

Like W, 45 will be forgotten by the GOP when all is over. Unfortunately because people (on both sides) search for news which confirms what they believe and 45 will have a shot again but he cannot stop time and this too will pass or not...

Truth is 45's enemy.

[Steve James]

Truth is 45's enemy.

Not when truth and it's meaning, like ethics, become subjective. It's easy to observe. Just watch the flip flops on what is true or fake versus what is good or bad. Agreeing that it's wrong to lie seems to be more difficult that accusing someone of lying.

It reminds me of the phrase for today's crisis that will not be named, a "circular firing squad."

[chud]

Well if you guys want to know who to blame for all this, here it is:

[shawnsegler]

So...yeah...we SHOULD have had President Bernie Sanders, which would have been great for everyone...no matter what people who think socialism is a dirty word think.

Obv.

S

[grzegorz]

Well if you guys want to know who to blame for all this

Republicans and Democrats who don't vote are responsible.

I remember Willie saying that 45 would make deals, stand up to China and fix healthcare. Yet at the G19 he did not make one deal and forget about all the rest.

Some here actually believed Mexico would pay for the wall. Basically when people don't think mistakes are made.

This puts it best.



Needless to say I am actually enjoying his base slowly realizing that they have been had. Harsh I know but I never claimed I was perfect.

We can't deny that it has been entertaining.

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/07/13/ ... paris.html

[shawnsegler]

[KEND]

nothing to do with the above but I came across this surprising piece of information
Kushner has even bigger plans for 666 Fifth Avenue ----a satanic megachurch perhaps

[grzegorz]

nothing to do with the above but I came across this surprising piece of information
Kushner has even bigger plans for 666 Fifth Avenue ----a satanic megachurch perhaps

Whatever it is it will probably just go bankrupt like everything else they touch.

[grzegorz]