Re: Arguments against "program minimum"?
Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:37 amPavel Macek wrote:Fa Xing: Thank you for your kind words.
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Arguments against "program minimum"?
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Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:37 amYou're welcome
Re: Arguments against "program minimum"?
Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 8:03 pmeverything wrote:I had wanted to do only
- KB swings
- TGU
What are some criticisms of this routine?
- missing X
- bad for you because Y
Criticisms? How about get-ups are over-rated and that workout is about as fun as watching paint dry?
More seriously, I think that workout is predicated upon hardstyle kb work, which is fine and dandy if that's what you're into, but may not fit everyone's needs, goals, and interests. That's true of any program, not just the Program Minimum-- but understand that if you're not competent in developing the right tension, you're probably missing out on a lot of the benefits.
I would be interested in hearing whether or not Pavel agrees with that (the part about tension, not watching paint dry).
Re: Arguments against "program minimum"?
Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:58 pmBhassler: can you been more specific? Kettlebell swing teaches great tension-relaxation, excellent for most athletic skills, and most notably martial arts. I train many pro MMA fighters, and the transfer of Simple & Sinister is excellent.
Re: Arguments against "program minimum"?
Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:12 amHi Pavel,
What I mean is that the exercises in the PM may be more technical than folks might realize from reading a book or watching a video. People might think they're practicing tension-relaxation when really they're just holding their breath and flexing their calves (or whatever). Similarly, I don't know that the PM works as effectively if someone is doing GS style movement-- in that case they're maybe better off doing snatches and long cycle clean and jerk.
As for it maybe not being for everyone, that has less to do with athletic goals and more to do with the state of one's particular neurology and what makes your own body/nervous system happiest. I know a lot of really great, very experienced coaches think that the PM (and similar) is the bees knees for just about everyone, and I have no reason to doubt them in the general case, I just know from my own experience that some people need a different approach to tension-relaxation.
What I mean is that the exercises in the PM may be more technical than folks might realize from reading a book or watching a video. People might think they're practicing tension-relaxation when really they're just holding their breath and flexing their calves (or whatever). Similarly, I don't know that the PM works as effectively if someone is doing GS style movement-- in that case they're maybe better off doing snatches and long cycle clean and jerk.
As for it maybe not being for everyone, that has less to do with athletic goals and more to do with the state of one's particular neurology and what makes your own body/nervous system happiest. I know a lot of really great, very experienced coaches think that the PM (and similar) is the bees knees for just about everyone, and I have no reason to doubt them in the general case, I just know from my own experience that some people need a different approach to tension-relaxation.
Re: Arguments against "program minimum"?
Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:49 amBhassler,
well, best way to learn the get-up and swing is from a good coach - but that applies to anything.
GS style is great - but for GS athletes. Program Minimum is a GPP (general physical training), GS is SPP (Sport Specific Training). Snatch and Long Cycle Clean & Jerk are much more technically demanding.
Different people need different things, true but that is kind of universal non-statement. I can't imagine anybody who would not benefit form a program minimum - from my grandma to top athlete. It is a great foundation for everything else, SPP or any other daily activities.
well, best way to learn the get-up and swing is from a good coach - but that applies to anything.
GS style is great - but for GS athletes. Program Minimum is a GPP (general physical training), GS is SPP (Sport Specific Training). Snatch and Long Cycle Clean & Jerk are much more technically demanding.
Different people need different things, true but that is kind of universal non-statement. I can't imagine anybody who would not benefit form a program minimum - from my grandma to top athlete. It is a great foundation for everything else, SPP or any other daily activities.