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Chinese Olympic powerlifters

Postby willie on Thu Oct 05, 2017 5:30 pm

Enjoyable video of Chinese power and it also Makes a great base for any martial art.
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Re: Chinese Olympic powerlifters

Postby willie on Thu Oct 05, 2017 5:44 pm

This one is very inspiring as well.
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Re: Chinese Olympic powerlifters

Postby Peacedog on Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:32 am

Yeah, there is never a downside to being strong.

Yet lots of downsides to being weak.
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Re: Chinese Olympic powerlifters

Postby willie on Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:51 am

Peacedog wrote:Yeah, there is never a downside to being strong.

Yet lots of downsides to being weak.


Hi peacedog, Weightlifting / powerlifting has, in many ways, got a bad rap.
As you can see, even on a martial art website, It doesn't get the attention it deserves.
How many times have Hollywood movies pitted the underdog hero against the bodybuilder and his modern training?
A clear example was in rocky. Rocky was against the Russian fighter Drago. Hollywood "won" the hearts of the audience
by making the weight trainer be the bad guy. Rocky using bearskins and flint stones "the hero"...

It's amazing how powerful media can be...
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Re: Chinese Olympic powerlifters

Postby Peacedog on Fri Oct 06, 2017 8:27 am

Willie,

I find it odd too.

In the meditative schools I study a premium is put upon being physically powerful. Simply put you can’t move much voltage without big pipes. Everyone tends to spend some time in the weight room.

People somehow tend to ignore the fact that all of the greats Socrates, Musashi, the Buddha, Wan Lai Sheng were all physically forces of nature. And yeah, sure there are longer ways to get there but the weight room is the quickest.

Even among my students, the only successful ones are powerlifters, mountaineers, outdoorsmen and professional dancers. All of these people are strong and even the dancer squats once a week.

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Re: Chinese Olympic powerlifters

Postby Fa Xing on Fri Oct 06, 2017 9:49 am

Just for the sake of terminology, you can be an olympic weightlifter (although classically being a weightlifter meant you were doing the olympic lifts) or a powerlifter. There's no such thing as olympic powerlifting.

Cool vids though, thanks for sharing. I miss lifting like this sometimes.
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Re: Chinese Olympic powerlifters

Postby willie on Fri Oct 06, 2017 3:26 pm

Fa Xing wrote:Just for the sake of terminology, There's no such thing as olympic powerlifting.

Cool vids though, thanks for sharing. I miss lifting like this sometimes.



Quoted from WiKi
Olympic-style weightlifting, or Olympic weightlifting, is an athletic discipline in the modern Olympic programme in which the athlete attempts a maximum-weight single lift of a barbell loaded with weight plates.

The two competition lifts in order are the snatch and the clean and jerk. Each weightlifter receives three attempts in each, and the combined total of the highest two successful lifts determines the overall result within a bodyweight category. Bodyweight categories are different for male and female competitors. A lifter who fails to complete at least one successful snatch and one successful clean and jerk also fails to total, and therefore receives an "incomplete" entry for the competition. The clean and press was once a competition lift, but was discontinued due to difficulties in judging proper form.

In comparison with other strength sports, which test limit strength (with or without lifting aids), weightlifting tests aspects of human ballistic limits (explosive strength); the lifts are therefore executed faster—and with more mobility and a greater range of motion during their execution—than other strength movements. Properly executed, the snatch and the clean and jerk are both dynamic and explosive while appearing graceful, especially when viewed from a recording at a slowed speed.

While there are relatively few competitive Olympic weightlifters, the lifts performed in the sport of weightlifting, and in particular their component lifts (e.g. squats, deadlifts, cleans), are commonly used by elite athletes in other sports to train for both explosive and functional strength.
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Re: Chinese Olympic powerlifters

Postby willie on Fri Oct 06, 2017 3:32 pm

Peacedog wrote:
Even among my students, the only successful ones are powerlifters, mountaineers, outdoorsmen and professional dancers. All of these people are strong and even the dancer squats once a week.

Peacedog


What do you mean by successful?
Also, There is in-fact a down side to wanting to be powerful, It's the "wanting" itself. This drives people to use drugs P.E.D's.
There are really a few reasons why I decided to place these video's here. One is that I feel that the guys in these video's are natural lifters.
Those don't appear to be steroid builds. That alone is impressive!
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Re: Chinese Olympic powerlifters

Postby marvin8 on Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:12 pm

willie wrote:Enjoyable video of Chinese power and it also Makes a great base for any martial art.

Olympic weightlifting is a sport within itself, with a narrow focus. The videos are not "a great base for any martial art," per modern strength and conditioning knowledge in combat sports (e.g., mma, boxing, etc.)

There are some videos on youtube that show strength and conditioning programs by top coaches for boxing and MMA. These programs are not focused on powerlifting.

The OP statement and videos may be misleading for those that are not aware that more specific strength and conditioning programs exist to improve the VO2 max, strength, power, and agility of combat athletes.
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Re: Chinese Olympic powerlifters

Postby willie on Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:28 pm

marvin8 wrote:
Olympic weightlifting The videos are not "a great base for any martial art," per modern strength and conditioning knowledge in combat sports (e.g., mma, boxing, etc.)



The OP statement and videos may be misleading .



I'm starting to think that you just like to go against everyone who post here Marvin. But if you don't think that having strong legs and a strong back strong traps and strong arms is a significant base on which to build a martial art on then you need to get your head examined. Thank you
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Re: Chinese Olympic powerlifters

Postby Fa Xing on Sat Oct 07, 2017 9:59 am

willie wrote:
Fa Xing wrote:Just for the sake of terminology, There's no such thing as olympic powerlifting.

Cool vids though, thanks for sharing. I miss lifting like this sometimes.



Quoted from WiKi
Olympic-style weightlifting, or Olympic weightlifting, is an athletic discipline in the modern Olympic programme in which the athlete attempts a maximum-weight single lift of a barbell loaded with weight plates.

The two competition lifts in order are the snatch and the clean and jerk. Each weightlifter receives three attempts in each, and the combined total of the highest two successful lifts determines the overall result within a bodyweight category. Bodyweight categories are different for male and female competitors. A lifter who fails to complete at least one successful snatch and one successful clean and jerk also fails to total, and therefore receives an "incomplete" entry for the competition. The clean and press was once a competition lift, but was discontinued due to difficulties in judging proper form.

In comparison with other strength sports, which test limit strength (with or without lifting aids), weightlifting tests aspects of human ballistic limits (explosive strength); the lifts are therefore executed faster—and with more mobility and a greater range of motion during their execution—than other strength movements. Properly executed, the snatch and the clean and jerk are both dynamic and explosive while appearing graceful, especially when viewed from a recording at a slowed speed.

While there are relatively few competitive Olympic weightlifters, the lifts performed in the sport of weightlifting, and in particular their component lifts (e.g. squats, deadlifts, cleans), are commonly used by elite athletes in other sports to train for both explosive and functional strength.


Exactly my point, weightlifting (as in that which they do in the Olympics) is not the same as in powerlifting which is not in the Olympics.

Powerlifting definition from wikipedia:

Powerlifting is a strength sport that consists of three attempts at maximal weight on three lifts: squat, bench press, and deadlift.
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Re: Chinese Olympic powerlifters

Postby willie on Sat Oct 07, 2017 10:45 am

Fa Xing wrote:
Exactly my point, weightlifting (as in that which they do in the Olympics) is not the same as in powerlifting which is not in the Olympics.

Powerlifting definition from wikipedia:

Powerlifting is a strength sport that consists of three attempts at maximal weight on three lifts: squat, bench press, and deadlift.


O.k. You are correct.
Me and the people that I have trained with classify it a bit differently.

I consider the Bulgarian system powerlifting and it appears that a lot of the same methods used to gain strength are relatively the same as the methods
used by Olympic lifters.
When I think of powerlifting, It will usually be the big 3 (squat, dead-lift, bench) trained with sets of 3 or above as max strength is the main focus, usually with periodization.
Where as body building usually has higher reps used for maximal hypertrophy.
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Re: Chinese Olympic powerlifters

Postby Fa Xing on Sat Oct 07, 2017 10:51 am

willie wrote:
Fa Xing wrote:
Exactly my point, weightlifting (as in that which they do in the Olympics) is not the same as in powerlifting which is not in the Olympics.

Powerlifting definition from wikipedia:

Powerlifting is a strength sport that consists of three attempts at maximal weight on three lifts: squat, bench press, and deadlift.


O.k. You are correct.
Me and the people that I have trained with classify it a bit differently.

I consider the Bulgarian system powerlifting and it appears that a lot of the same methods used to gain strength are relatively the same as the methods
used by Olympic lifters.
When I think of powerlifting, It will usually be the big 3 (squat, dead-lift, bench) trained with sets of 3 or above as max strength is the main focus, usually with periodization.
Where as body building usually has higher reps used for maximal hypertrophy.


Which is absolutely, Bulgarian method is fantastic. I just threw it out there that the international definition is not the same as a training definition which can vary all over the world. I know that much of the Chinese weightlifting community loves doing both the big lifts of powerlifting and oly lifting, but will also incorporate a lot of bodybuilding methods too. I think we are going to see China really take the Olympic lifting by storm in the next couple upcoming Olympics.
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