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Re: Antifa pro-pedo sign at Columbia Univ. protest

Postby Steve James on Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:22 pm

Like I said, there was a sign held up. I could only find one on Google. So, that wouldn't say that Antifa supports pedophilia. And you should be able to see that not even the sign says Antifa does.
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Re: Antifa pro-pedo sign at Columbia Univ. protest

Postby Michael on Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:35 pm

Everyone can read the sign and if Antifa claims this was a hoax or a trick, they should disavow pedophilia to make their position clear. If it wasn't and they are against pedo-bashing and support NAMBLA, that's their position and it's accurate to say that about them.
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Re: Antifa pro-pedo sign at Columbia Univ. protest

Postby Steve James on Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:16 pm

Yep. Everyone can read the one sign. And anybody can say whatever they want about it. But, the sign doesn't say Antifa is pro-pedophilia. That's what you say based on someone else. Sure, Antifa might come out in favor of pedophilia. Otherwise it's just "somebody said."
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Re: Antifa pro-pedo sign at Columbia Univ. protest

Postby Michael on Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:42 pm

Like I said, you're pretending you don't know how politics works. Antifa is a political organization. According to the organizer of the Columbia Univ. Antifa protest, they held that sign because someone told them to. The organizer says it wasn't their sign, but since that's an incredible statement, they need to explain. They should explain their position. Are they for or against pedophilia? Are they for or against pedo-bashing and what do they mean by that?
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Re: Antifa pro-pedo sign at Columbia Univ. protest

Postby Steve James on Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:03 pm

Oh the organizer disavows the sign, but you find that incredible. Yet, you ask for Antifa to formally disavow pedophilia. Then I guess you will accept it. Right.
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Re: Antifa pro-pedo sign at Columbia Univ. protest

Postby Michael on Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:48 pm

Because it is difficult to believe her claim that such a protest group would accept a sign from a stranger, they need to explain their position. They have not addressed the content of the sign.
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Re: Antifa pro-pedo sign at Columbia Univ. protest

Postby Michael on Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:40 pm

Ian C. Kuzushi wrote:Yup, Alt-White fake protesters doing what they do. And their sheeple want to believe so badly they'll be duped into just about anything.

Sad!

Still mindlessly defending domestic terrorists. Dumb.

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Federal authorities have been warning state and local officials since early 2016 that leftist extremists known as “antifa” had become increasingly confrontational and dangerous, so much so that the Department of Homeland Security formally classified their activities as “domestic terrorist violence,” according to interviews and confidential law enforcement documents obtained by POLITICO.
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Re: Antifa pro-pedo sign at Columbia Univ. protest

Postby aiasthewall on Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:54 pm

Obvious troll is nevertheless successful it seems.
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Re: Antifa pro-pedo sign at Columbia Univ. protest

Postby I-mon on Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:15 pm

Michael have you ever been to a protest? There are often a lot of students and community groups involved, who have often had working bees where they get together and make banners and signs or costumes etc, and then on the day random people are often recruited to hold one side of a banner or wave a flag or something. It would be completely ordinary for someone to ask someone else to hold a banner, and given that a lot of the people involved are only loosely affiliated with any recognised political groups or movements (and often have only a vague understanding of any of the issues involved) it also wouldn't be unusual at all for people to be holding things they haven't written themselves, they may not have fully read because they're paying attention to all of the other stuff that's going on, or they might just be along for the ride.

You seem to think that the people at these sorts of protests are highly organised groups with coherent beliefs that they all share when the opposite is more likely true.
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Re: Antifa pro-pedo sign at Columbia Univ. protest

Postby Michael on Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:30 pm

I've seen film of a lot of Antifa protests from the past year and this one looked well-organized, and in fact had a social worker from the college organizing it. Their signs outside were all clearly printed, not random or scrawled, and inside the speaking were using the same slogans, again showing levels of organization. This pedo-bashing banner appeared to be the only banner present and it was large enough that it took three people to hold it.

I find your suggestion a low probability, but if it was a hoax, they still need to address the issue because they're responsible for presenting an incorrect message, if that's what happened.

What's so difficult about stating your position on pedophilia? Or pedo-bashing? Inside one of their members gave a death threat to Mike Cernovich, they also say it's morally correct to punch a Nazi for their beliefs, so it's not like they are shy to say how they feel.
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Re: Antifa pro-pedo sign at Columbia Univ. protest

Postby Ian C. Kuzushi on Mon Nov 06, 2017 1:42 am

You are so ridiculous in your incredibly misguided crusade that direct responses are not even warranted. You have proven over and over again either an inability to communicate honestly or, more likely, an intentionally duplicitous nature, which is why a back and forth is just a waste of time. You are a troll waging a war against social justice. Just think about that. You find anti-fascists more reprehensible than fascists. In typical Alt-Right fashion, you pretend to be reasonable, but can't think or argue rationally, find reliable sources, vet information, or be honest in your goals and motivation. You are as bad as the Alt-Right stooges who planted the sign.
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Re: Antifa pro-pedo sign at Columbia Univ. protest

Postby Michael on Mon Nov 06, 2017 2:22 am

Ian C. Kuzushi wrote:You are so ridiculous in your incredibly misguided crusade that direct responses are not even warranted. You have proven over and over again either an inability to communicate honestly or, more likely, an intentionally duplicitous nature, which is why a back and forth is just a waste of time. You are a troll waging a war against social justice. Just think about that. You find anti-fascists more reprehensible than fascists. In typical Alt-Right fashion, you pretend to be reasonable, but can't think or argue rationally, find reliable sources, vet information, or be honest in your goals and motivation. You are as bad as the Alt-Right stooges who planted the sign.


You can do nothing but attempt and fail at personal attacks while it is the topic of defending Antifa's pedophilia support that inexorably draws you out of hiding and into the only semblance of a conversation of which you are capable, where you project your own dishonesty and avoid the specifics of the topic, which would force you to look at your misplaced and outdated sympathy for a terrorist organization that is unable or unwilling to disavow pedophilia. You are the troll.
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Re: Antifa pro-pedo sign at Columbia Univ. protest

Postby RobP3 on Mon Nov 06, 2017 2:25 am

Took me five seconds to find this, and other similar

https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2017/10/31/right-wing-trolls-try-smear-protesters-pedophiles-planting-sign-referencing-reportedly-disbanded/218398

In the meantime, I'm sure this must be real, right?

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Re: Antifa pro-pedo sign at Columbia Univ. protest

Postby Michael on Mon Nov 06, 2017 2:42 am

Why did you need five seconds? The article you posted is nothing new to what's been discussed here and misses some important info.
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Re: Antifa pro-pedo sign at Columbia Univ. protest

Postby Trick on Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:21 am

I-mon wrote:Michael have you ever been to a protest? There are often a lot of students and community groups involved, who have often had working bees where they get together and make banners and signs or costumes etc, and then on the day random people are often recruited to hold one side of a banner or wave a flag or something. It would be completely ordinary for someone to ask someone else to hold a banner, and given that a lot of the people involved are only loosely affiliated with any recognised political groups or movements (and often have only a vague understanding of any of the issues involved) it also wouldn't be unusual at all for people to be holding things they haven't written themselves, they may not have fully read because they're paying attention to all of the other stuff that's going on, or they might just be along for the ride.

You seem to think that the people at these sorts of protests are highly organised groups with coherent beliefs that they all share when the opposite is more likely true.

Never been to a protest and think I'll never be. That above description sound as protest are quite disorganized, why would anyone want to participate in such a spectacle more than once...crazy
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