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Re: Pedophilia

Postby Appledog on Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:37 am

chud wrote:Yes, it is wrong.
A child, even a teenager, is not emotionally mature enough to make decisions about sex.


It's worth considering (before jumping to any conclusions) that for most of human history, if you didn't get married and have kids by 14 or 15 you had about a 50% chance of dying before your own kids got married.

If there was a rich 40+ man in that day and age, proposing to a 11, 12 or 13 year old and her family -- it would be a no-brainer, she would go and marry him without hesitation. In such a time and place it would be foolish to refuse such an offer. Of course there's a lot of assumptions here but that's the way it was for much of the world, even the western world. I mean, just look at the Greeks and Romans for example. You think a 30 year old marrying a 14 year old is improper, boy you sure need to catch up on your history :)
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Re: Pedophilia

Postby wiesiek on Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:47 am

well,
having sex is not directly connected with procreation,
ha, now, even less than century/s/ ago , I suppose.
so,
problem is in maturity .
Sexual intercourse isn`t wrong /bad/ in young age, but age , difference between lovers./simplification, of c./
If is too big we may speaking about pedophilia / child abuse /.
Only problem is - how big it can be acceptable in givin` society/culture, or someone head.
For example - 19 y.o. girl and men over 60 can have sex officially,
but
for me it is pedophilia of some kind...

Anyway, you can always find excuses -
OOOh, really ? she looked so mature... ::)
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Re: Pedophilia

Postby Steve James on Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:51 am

I don't know why other cultures are brought up. There are still child marriages in the developed United States with girls as young as 12. It's perfectly legal.

The change in attitude about appropriate marital age has everything to do with a society's change from agricultural to industrial. But it's not a development of morality or an issue of pedophilia. Pedophiles don't generally marry their victims. Though, in the United States there are several examples of men who've married several children and had children by their children. Usually, these men lead religious groups (Warren Jeff's, David Koresh, Jim Jones). They point to the Bible for their models and justification.

Even today, when a senatorial candidate has been accused of molesting a 14 year-old, there are people who say "Mary was a teenager when she had Jesus."
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Re: Pedophilia

Postby Steve James on Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:14 am

Put it like this. Pedophilia has as much to do with marriage as rape has to do with sex.

The crucial element is deciding when a human reaches what society considers the age of consent. You can argue that it's 14. But, that doesn't mean a 14 year-old automatically consents to sex with a 30 year old man. You can argue that a 9 year old could consent. You can find baby porn. Pedophiles f__k Children.

I don't know about you, but a 30 year old guy trying to seduce my 14 year-old would have a problem -with me. Sure, she could run away with him. I'd call the cops. Now, if she were 18 and he was 50, I might not like it, but she'd be an adult. Pedo means child. In prison, lgls and lbls (little girl lovers) are "turned out."
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Re: Pedophilia

Postby windwalker on Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:36 am

Steve James wrote:Is it wrong for a 32 year-old to seduce a 14 year-old? Is it worse when that person is a public official or a movie star? It's complicated by the fact that child marriages are not uncommon in the US.


Even today, when a senatorial candidate has been accused of molesting a 14 year-old,


Didn't take long did it? ::)

Why not ask the question is it right for someone to be able to accuse another person
of something at a critical time that can not be proven, has not been proven in a court of law
after some 40 yrs or so....why now?

"Alabama Secretary of State: If State GOP Pulls Support for Moore and He Gets the Most Votes, Election Would Be ‘Null and Void’

How does this work...if he gets elected, is not charged with anything.
Those who are basically his opposition already in power can declare the election "null and void"

Dont know who this guy is, only that the whole thing seems very contrived
of course there are those that seem to miss the point of the presumption of innocent until proven guilty.
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Re: Pedophilia

Postby Steve James on Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:05 am

Ah, so, you don't really care about accusations of pedophilia when it comes to a Republican. He's innocent until proven guilty, like Harvey Weinstein. And, even if he did court a teenager when he was DA, it ain't so bad. It happens in other cultures, etc. It's just like pussy grabbing.

It doesn't matter to me that accusations come up before an election any differently than if they come up before a film opening. The issue is and was pedophilia. By that I mean an older man taking advantage of a young girl or boy. These things usually happen in private. You have to believe one person or the other. But you can decide whether the thing was right or wrong.

I only mentioned the case to point out how "religious" people justify what you argue was fabricated. No worries though. He may win no matter what he has or hasn't done. He represents American morality as much as the prez. Shucks. Send them your daughters.
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Re: Pedophilia

Postby windwalker on Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:15 am

Steve James wrote: Shucks. Send them your daughters.


you should watch your mouth....

you just decided to bring this issue up now? yep its possible ;)

I only mentioned the case to point out how "religious" people justify what you argue was fabricated.


Never said that, only it wasn't proven the timing is suspect.
Why is it that you cant seem to stick to what people post...
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Re: Pedophilia

Postby Steve James on Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:29 am

I asked a general question. You answered it. It does matter to me who the 32 year-old man was or what he does. It know how I would feel if I were my 14 year-old daughter. Period.
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Re: Pedophilia

Postby windwalker on Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:36 am

some what seem to be cultural norms

"The State Department, in its annual human rights report, has consistently said that sexual abuse of children remains pervasive in Afghanistan. And it documents the practice called "bacha bazi" — which means dancing boys. Bacha Bazi involves the sexual abuse of boys, often by powerful or wealthy local businessmen, who sexually abuse young boys trained to dance in female clothes."

what happens when American soldiers come in contact with it.

"The New York Times reported that Martland and Dan Quinn, a former Special Forces captain, beat up an Afghan militia commander who was working with the Americans but also was discovered to have kept a boy chained to his bed as a sex slave."



"But U.S. forces have been reluctant to impose American cultural values “in a country where pederasty is rife,” according to the report, which noted that the nonintervention policy was “intended to maintain good relations with the Afghan police and militia units the United States has trained to fight the Taliban.”
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/artic ... tion-says/
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Re: Pedophilia

Postby Steve James on Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:19 am

I'm a U.S. citizen in the U.S., and I asked about pedophilia in the U.S.. Some think it's ok, apparently, depending on who it is and where it happens. That's a problem, even if they base it on "freedom of religion."
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Re: Pedophilia

Postby wiesiek on Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:02 am

makin`up "religious" excuses make me really sick.
In Bible you can find any twisted behavior and make cover for own shit, If not directly, it can be easy made up for the purpose, and became holly truth.
It is why old sayin`: devils sitiin` under Altair is also holly truth... -devil-
here
we are discussing situation, where tip of someone pennis became holly grail ,
and
it is perfectly OK,
until he is not starting using it Earthy way,
In such situation , it has to be taken out, and sacrificed for holly spirit.

In our time it shoudn`t be allowed. For the religious reason !
You are holy men?, Have a mission?
Good,
Go fuck yourself on the desert.!
This is my humble , holly, opinion, about abusing children, doesn`t matter if she became wife.
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