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The Perfect Storm continues

Postby KEND on Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:11 pm

The revelations about Harvey Weinstein were just the beginning The meme is spreading and will claim many before it dissipates
[NY Times] Ever since the New York Times and the New Yorker published a staggering amount of on-record accusations against the embattled super producer, dozens of women have come forward nearly every day to share their stories of similar treatment by powerful men in nearly every industry. Something appears to have changed. More and more women–and in some cases, men–feel newly emboldened by the courage of Weinstein’s accusers to tell stories they once may have thought would fall on deaf ears. After all, Weinstein’s behavior was an open secret in Hollywood for decades, an intimidating yardstick for what men could conceivably get away with, until the day it suddenly wasn’t (some argue that Weinstein’s accusers were only listened to now because his career was in decline). It’s about time. There’s nothing new about powerful men being accused of sexual harassment. For years we’ve seen allegations against men at the highest levels of their respective fields– Bill O’Reilly, R. Kelly, , Woody Allen, Bill Cosby, Roman Polanski, George H.W. Bush, the former president and of course Donald Trump, just for starters. Just this week Joe Biden and Charlie Rose were added to the list, that’s three POTUS’s and a VP. The accusations are running into the hundreds, below are some of the showbiz people involved. Some were a surprise, who knows who will be next,
• Roy Price, the head of Amazon Studios,
Andy Signore, creator of Screen Junkies y Media.
• Ben Affleck, actor
• Bob Weinstein, super producer
• Oliver Stone,the director.
• James Toback, director Lockhart Steele, the creator of popular websites such as Curbed and Racked,
• Mark Halperin, the reporter, author, and media personality,
• Andrew Kramer, the Lionsgate executive, Elie Wiesel, the Nobel Prize-winning author and human-rights advocate
• Leon Wieseltier, formerly an editor at The New Republic
• Ethan Kath, the producer/performer behind Crystal Castles Chris Savino, the creator of Nickelodeon’s The Loud House
• Knight Landesman, the Artforum publisher and a power broker in the art world,..
• Kevin Spacey, the actor
• Jeremy Piven, the actor
• Hamilton Fish V, the publisher of The New Republic,
• Andy Dick, the famously assault-prone comedic performer
• Dustin Hoffman, the veteran Michael Oreskes, a top editor at NPR,.
• David Guillod, a manager and producer on films like Atomic Blonde, has been accused by actress Jessica Barth of sexual assault. Barth originally raised her allegation in 2012, but Guillod threatened to sue her if she proceeded. According to The Hollywood Reporter, Barth is now ready to press charges.
• David Corn, editor and chief executive at Mother JonesSteven Seagal, star of ’90s action films
• Ed Westwick, an actor best known for his work on Gossip Girl
• Louis CK, one of the most popular comedians in the world,
• Jann Wenner, the iconic publisher of Rolling
• George Takei, legendary actor and internet
• Andrew Kreisberg, show runner on The Flash,.
• Tom Sizemore, star of such films as Saving Private Ryan, Mark Schwahn, showrunner on One Tree Hill,
• Jeffrey Tambor, Emmy Award-winning star of Transparent,
Matt Zimmerman, Senior Vice President of Booking for News & Entertainment at NBC.
• Al Franken, the Minnesota senator and erstwhile comedy writer,
• Murray Miller, a writer formerly of HBO’s Girls, Glenn Thrush, a star political reporter for The New York Times,.
• Glenn Thrush, a star political reporter for The New York Times,
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Re: The Perfect Storm continues

Postby Trick on Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:01 pm

Me Too storm is in full blow in Sweden Too, The media/entertainment/culture sector to the political and judicial sectors are all in the storm.
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Re: The Perfect Storm continues

Postby wiesiek on Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:57 am

here in Poland too,
suppose, it is all over the word storm.
btw Steven S on the list doesn`t surprise me somehow...
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Re: The Perfect Storm continues

Postby Bao on Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:40 am

A similar metoo campaign went in East-Asia about seven years ago when a Korean actress committed suicide leaving behind a letter together with a list of more than 30 names that she was forced to have sex with. Why it's taking the west even more time when it should have had happen much earlier is IMO an enigma. There's yet a lot more to be revealed. So it will be interesting to see what's happen next.

The five first week's 32 men from the entertainment industry and their accusers here below. A few more accusations the last two weeks, but some of them seems unfounded. I was very surprised that someone accused George Takei for harassing, but I don't believe that this particular story has any truth to it.

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Ben Affleck, Actor and producer (Hilarie Burton, Annamarie Tendler)

Ken Baker, E! News correspondent (former employee, former intern)

John Besh, Celebrity chef (former employee)

David Blaine, Magician (Natasha Prince)

Louis C.K, Comedian (Dana Min Goodman, Julia Wolov, Rebecca Corry, Abby Schachner, anonymous)

Stephen Collins, Actor (Mimi Kramer)

Richard Dreyfuss, Actor (Jessica Teich)

Gary Goddard, CEO of The Goddard Group, an entertainment design firm (Anthony Edwards)

Andy Dick, Comedian (Mandy Stadtmiller)

Mark Halperin, Journalist (Jane Doe 1, Jane Doe 2, Jane Doe 3, Jane Doe 4, Jane Doe 5 – all former colleagues)

Dustin Hoffman, Actor (Anna Graham Hunter, Wendy Riss Gatsiounis)

R. Kelly, Musician (Kitti Jones)

Robert Knepper, Actor (Susan Bertram)

Knight Landesman, Artforum Publisher (Alissa McKendrick, Jane Doe 1)

Rick Najera, CBS Diversity Showcase Director (former colleagues/performers)

Michael Oreskes, NPR’s editorial director (former colleagues)

Jeremy Piven, Actor and Producer (Ariane Bellamar)

Brett Ratner, Producer (Natasha Henstridge, Olivia Munn, Jaime Ray Newman, Katharine Towne, Jorina King)

Terry Richardson, Fashion photographer (Liskula Cohen, Coco Rocha, Anna*, Sena Cech, Scout Willis, Intern Alex, Jamie Peck, Charlotte Waters, Cole Sprouse, Gabriela Johansson, Rie Rasmussen, Emma Appleton, Audrey Gelman)

Chris Savino, TV producer, (at least 12 former colleagues)

Steven Seagal, Director (Portia de Rossi)

Kevin Spacey, Actor (Anthony Rapp, Roberto Cavazos, Daniel Beal, Justin Dawes, Mark Ebenhoch, Harry Dreyfus, Tony Montana, Kris Nixon and John Doe 1, John Doe 2, John Doe 3, John Doe 4, John Doe 5, John Doe 6, John Doe 7)

Charlie Sheen, Actor (Corey Haim)

Lockhart Steele, Vice President of Vox (Eden Rohatensky)

Oliver Stone, Director (Carrie Stevens, Patricia Arquette)

Jeffrey Tambor, Actor (former assistant)

James Toback, Director (Adrienne LaValley, Starr Rinaldi, Louise Post, Veruca Salt, Karen Sklaire, Kelley Raleigh, Terri Conn, Anna Scott, Echo Danon, Sari Kamin, Chantal Cousineau, Ashly McQueen, Jane Doe 1, Jane Doe 2, Jane Doe 2, Jane Doe 3, Jane Doe 4, Jane Doe 5, Jane Doe 6, Jane Doe 7, Jane Doe 8, Jane Doe 9, Jane Doe 10, Jane Doe 11, Jane Doe 12, Jane Doe 13, Jane Doe 14, Jane Doe 15, Jane Doe 16, Jane Doe 17, Jane Doe 18, Jane Doe 19, Jane Doe 20, Jane Doe 21, Jane Doe 22, Jane Doe 23, Jane Doe 24, Jane Doe 25, Jane Doe 26)

Matthew Weiner, Creator of Mad Men (Kater Gordon)

Bob Weinstein, Film executive (Jaime King, Amanda Segel)

Harvey Weinstein, Film executive (Ashley Judd, Zoë Brock, Rose McGowan, Laura Madden, Liza Campbell, Louise Godbold, Lauren Sivan, Asia Argento, Jessica Barth, Emma de Caunes, Dawn , Dunning, Ambra Battilana Gutierrez, Mira Sorvino, Lucia Stoller, Gwyneth Paltrow, Angelina Jolie, Rosanna Arquette, Judith Godrèche, Katherine Kendall, Tomi-Ann Roberts, Louisette Geiss, Romola Garai, Heather Graham, Cara Delevingne, Léa Seydoux, Sarah Ann Masse, Claire Forlani, Florence Darel, Sophie Dix, Kate Beckinsale, Tara Subkoff, Melissa Sagemiller, Minka Kelly, Trish Goff, Angie Everhart, Mia Kirshner, Eva Green, Lysette Anthony, Alice Evans, Sarah Smith, Lysette Anthony, Lauren Holly, Amber Anderson, Lena Headey, Heather Kerr, Marisa Coughlan, Lupita Nyong’o, Katya Mtsitouridze, Zelda Perkins, Mimi Haleyi, Dominique Huett, Natassia Malthe, Daryl Hannah, Annabella Sciorra, Ashley Matthau, Hope Exiner d’Amore, Julianna Margulies)

Jann Wenner, Rolling Stone founder (Ben Ryan)

Ed Westwick, Actor (Kristina Cohen, Aurélie Wynn)

Leon Wieseltier, Former editor of The New Republic (former colleagues)

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Re: The Perfect Storm continues

Postby Dmitri on Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:28 am

One celebrity last year had an audio recording clearly proving his sexual misconduct on regular basis, and he went on to become the US President. So what's the big deal, amirite?! :-X
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Re: The Perfect Storm continues

Postby KEND on Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:28 am

Say it isn't so Charlie Rose. This one came out of left field, walking around naked is apparently not de rigeur on public radio. Its a shame, the interviews were very good, I hope they don't get binned. Much though I feel PBS is an essential part of a civilized society sometimes they come across as too high minded, this could be a reminder that the higher you fly the larger the fall, after all Lucifer was once an angel
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Re: The Perfect Storm continues

Postby Steve James on Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:10 pm

No one should be surprised. Sexual harassment is more common than domestic violence, which was accepted at one time. Ime, some degree of harassment was expected, and women just had to accept it. Now, women feel freer to admit it. However, I don't think all acts of sexual harassment are equal. Yet, I am sure the worst offenders will find a way to rationalize and justify everything from wife beating to rape and child molestation.
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Re: The Perfect Storm continues

Postby Trick on Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:18 pm

Dmitri wrote:One celebrity last year had an audio recording clearly proving his sexual misconduct on regular basis, and he went on to become the US President. So what's the big deal, amirite?! :-X

Wasn't the Bush family(male side) also involved in that hideous "locker room" talk I think it was called, could be something that runs within presidential families
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Re: The Perfect Storm continues

Postby northern_mantis on Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:03 am

I hope everybody who is chucking names and accusations around whether by word of mouth or in writing has conclusive evidence to back it up otherwise I would suggest the moderators take it down before this forum becomes part of the problem. Why is this the one category of crime where trivial incidents are mentioned in the same breath as serious offences as if they are the same thing and they are reported such that the burden of proof is on the accused otherwise they stand to lose everything just from the word of one other person.

This is the culmination of letting social justice warriors run wild. It's quite right that victims should get heard but the whole thing should happen behind closed doors until there is a conviction or at least a charge. This #metoo thing risks becoming a club that everybody wants to join and that poses a risk to the truth. If I was a juror on a case such as this it would be almost impossible to find anyone guilty because our society has been so corrupted on this issue and that is a tragedy for real victims, whatever proportion of the accusers they represent.
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Re: The Perfect Storm continues

Postby klonk on Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:57 pm

Emmanuel Goldstein isn't on the list? :D
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Re: The Perfect Storm continues

Postby Tom on Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:03 pm

This is an important topic for public discussion and will remain up on this forum.
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Re: The Perfect Storm continues

Postby Bill on Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:25 pm

Hilarious: Watch Charlie Rose interview Kevin Spacey on Bill Clinton's sex accusations

https://youtu.be/8cCW_wzNkQQ

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Re: The Perfect Storm continues

Postby Trick on Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:57 pm

northern_mantis wrote:This #metoo thing risks becoming a club that everybody wants to join

Yes, and probably also will attract people that dare not to join, if don't join you are a bad person.
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Re: The Perfect Storm continues

Postby Trick on Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:23 am

Trick wrote:
northern_mantis wrote:This #metoo thing risks becoming a club that everybody wants to join

Yes, and probably also will attract people that dare not to join, if don't join you are a bad person.

"Dare not to not join"
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Re: The Perfect Storm continues

Postby Steve James on Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:32 am

The thing is that men who haven't abused women, or vice versa, have nothing to fear.
And, if they didn't think it was abusive before, now they know. If the allegations are untrue, just sue. Don't pay off.

The innocent tend to fight. The guilty tend to avoid or flee.

I think that a single accusation shouldn't cost anyone his job. Otoh, when multiple women come forward about being abused by the same guy, who was their boss, that guy needs to go. The punishment should fit the crime.
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