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Re: The Perfect Storm continues

Postby Trip on Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:01 pm

Minus the just plain unlucky abusers that got caught by the tsunami...
Sheesh, This whole male abuse "outing" thing is mostly selective.

There are people caught on camera that everyone knows, even the press, that they are not talking about--And may never talk about.
From Academy Award winners to your uncle Bob.

We're not even talking about the male on male abuse. Oh, no, no, no.
No!

Oh, and women have abused and are abusing too.
I've been grabbed, & more, by women. And I ain't telling!
It’s not their turn to be publicly shamed.

Yes, get rid of the criminal abusers and rapist. Put them where they belong. Those F'ing pigs.
Come on, stop being fooled.

Replace all men in power positions with women--and in 20-30 years?-- you'll see the problem clearly.
Power abuse is a human weakness for a lot of humans.
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Re: The Perfect Storm continues

Postby Michael on Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:30 pm

Bill wrote:Hilarious: Watch Charlie Rose interview Kevin Spacey on Bill Clinton's sex accusations

https://youtu.be/8cCW_wzNkQQ


Matt Lauer interviewing Bill O'Reilly also has new facet.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XlhRL3D3Sw
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Re: The Perfect Storm continues

Postby Michael on Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:01 pm

More men are raped every year in the USA than women in 2008, Dept. of Justice estimates 216,000 rapes of males in prison compared to total of 90,000 female and male victims outside prison.

Obviously this is not a contest, but I bring it up to show there are many more male victims, so it should not be used as a way to compartmentalize a social problem into a narrow blame game, which feminists often do.

Sexual Victimization In Juvenile Facilities Reported By Youth, 2012] wrote:About 2.5% of youth (450 nationwide) reported an incident involving another youth, and 7.7% (1,390) reported an incident involving facility staff.

With about 55,000 juveniles in detention in the USA, that's thousands per year of both male and female child rape victims committed by male and female perpetrators.

I wonder what is the correlation or causation of sexual assault committed later in life by people who were previously victims, especially young victims?

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RobP3 wrote:
Michael wrote:I'm still surprised by the difference in ratio between those FBI stats in the USA of 67:12 female to male victims, and the ones in the UK of 850:12 female to male victims. 850:12? Doesn't sound right.

Doesn't sound right or you don't want it to be right?

Maybe it's just totally different numbers in the UK.

Again I say it is highly dubious that the UK stats could be so completely skewed in the other direction and I presume those numbers were massaged by people who wanted a certain numerical outcome.
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Re: The Perfect Storm continues

Postby RobP3 on Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:05 am

Trip wrote:Minus the just plain unlucky abusers that got caught by the tsunami...
Sheesh, This whole male abuse "outing" thing is mostly selective.

There are people caught on camera that everyone knows, even the press, that they are not talking about--And may never talk about.
From Academy Award winners to your uncle Bob.

We're not even talking about the male on male abuse. Oh, no, no, no.
No!



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Re: The Perfect Storm continues

Postby RobP3 on Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:07 am

Michael wrote:More men are raped every year in the USA than women in 2008, Dept. of Justice estimates 216,000 rapes of males in prison compared to total of 90,000 female and male victims outside prison.

Obviously this is not a contest, but I bring it up to show there are many more male victims, so it should not be used as a way to compartmentalize a social problem into a narrow blame game, which feminists often do.


Maybe it's just totally different numbers in the UK.
Again I say it is highly dubious that the UK stats could be so completely skewed in the other direction and I presume those numbers were massaged by people who wanted a certain numerical outcome.


You certainly make it seems like a contest, to the extent you disbelieve the UK figures because they don't fit your viewpoint. Do you have any proof that the Home Office is run my rabid feminists?
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Re: The Perfect Storm continues

Postby Trip on Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:26 am

Greetings RobP3,

I think you are a reasonable person. So, I trust that if you look for yourself you will see here in America there is a monumental public outcry that highlights men's abuse of women.

America is taking a real stab at making the workplace safer for women.
Many powerful & not so powerful American men are actually feeling the effects of this movement.

My earlier (full) post is just giving a heads up: saying, wait a minute—that road is not as simple as it sounds.
Now that America has taken this path, there are some dangers lurking:
A few potholes along the way we should really watch out for if we want to reach our destination.

Well, at least along the part of the path that I have experience with.



RobP3 wrote:
Trip wrote:Minus the just plain unlucky abusers that got caught by the tsunami...
Sheesh, This whole male abuse "outing" thing is mostly selective.

There are people caught on camera that everyone knows, even the press, that they are not talking about--And may never talk about.
From Academy Award winners to your uncle Bob.

We're not even talking about the male on male abuse. Oh, no, no, no.
No!



Er...yes we are
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Re: The Perfect Storm continues

Postby Ian C. Kuzushi on Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:47 am

I find many of the posts on this thread to be appalling, especially on a martial arts website. Appalling, but not surprising.

As for prison statistics, what an assinine way to interpret them. This movement is about outing the perpetrators. The perpetrators of the vast majority of violence in this society and others are men.

If you don't go around sexual harassing, raping, or groping women, you really don't have much to worry about. Let's not pretend the very rare case of false accusation is some legitimate thing to be used to halt this very legitimate movement. If that was the case, then why aren't you constantly railing against all the black men being accused of various crimes and wrongly convicted? Why? Because it's bullshit.

It would be interesting to hear what some of our female members think about all of this, rather than the typically full of shit Alt-Right contingent. But, I can certainly understand why no woman would want to jump into this thread.

Look out! The women are going to take everything over! My god! Um, no. It seems like they just want to not be molested all the time.
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Re: The Perfect Storm continues

Postby Trip on Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:01 am

It's good to ask for women's input.

But...Honest question.
Can you can solve the problem of abuse by being abusive yourself?
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Re: The Perfect Storm continues

Postby Ian C. Kuzushi on Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:21 am

You are equating calling misogynists out on a message board to sexually assaulting women. I think I see where the problem is here.
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Re: The Perfect Storm continues

Postby oragami_itto on Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:32 am

Honestly, Ian, I don't understand those people. When I look at certain members Avatar I feel like I need a shower. The minds behind the comments are beyond my understanding.
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Re: The Perfect Storm continues

Postby Ian C. Kuzushi on Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:37 am

I'd like to think that the internet just brings out the worst in people. These are also strange times and the polarization on both sides has led some into a dark place.
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Re: The Perfect Storm continues

Postby Steve James on Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:57 am

There is no relation between the number of rapes and the fact that women are reporting incidents of Sexual harassment. At best, bringing up male rape would be a way to support men coming forward and something being done about the issue. Rather, the objective of bringing male rape up is to questioneve the legitimacy of women's complaints. Clearly, men become the real victims even though it's men committing the vast majority of raping.

So, I suppose men don't make false claims of harassment and rape. They just complain because women get all the sympathy and attention. They need their own #metoo.... Of course, this is typical Orwellian nonsense now common in the right wing culture war.
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Re: The Perfect Storm continues

Postby Trip on Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:48 pm

Ian C. Kuzushi wrote:You are equating calling misogynists out on a message board to sexually assaulting women. I think I see where the problem is here.


I asked you an honest question and get called names?
Labeled a misogynists? :)
Me, a woman hater?
Where’s the proof?

Please prove it.

KEND wrote:Levine latest, at this rate there will be no actors, directors, musicians, politicians left

My first post was a response to this.

I see this and know that as far as “Hollywood” some of the people being targeted seems both political sides are being politically selective.
That means to me that whenever this movement concludes their political enemies will be gone but there’s going to be some very powerful abusers still in place.

The issue, is to highlight men's abuse of women and girls and do something about it.
Outing perpetrators is one of the ways to do something about it.
I see you talking about the issue But I thought you also spent a great amount of wordage also attacking Mike your online nemesis.

That is similar to what I see going on in Hollywood and other places.
To me both political parties are using the abuse of women to selectively attack people they don’t like in power.
Not to solve a very real problem.

Power & Sexual abuse in the work place
& Attack those you don't like
Are two different things
Paying more attention to one than the other leads to different outcomes
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Re: The Perfect Storm continues

Postby Michael on Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:51 pm

RobP3 wrote:
You certainly make it seems like a contest, to the extent you disbelieve the UK figures because they don't fit your viewpoint. Do you have any proof that the Home Office is run my rabid feminists?

I never said rabid. They prosecuted Mark Pearson when the only evidence against him was the proof he was innocent.

In the USA, this debate always gets entangled by definitions of rape varying in jurisdictions and both sides claim the other is massaging the numbers. Maybe England and Wales don't have these problems.
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Re: The Perfect Storm continues

Postby Ian C. Kuzushi on Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:05 pm

Trip wrote:
Ian C. Kuzushi wrote:You are equating calling misogynists out on a message board to sexually assaulting women. I think I see where the problem is here.


I asked you an honest question and get called names?
Labeled a misogynists? :)
Me, a woman hater?
Where’s the proof?

Please prove it.


Well, I wasn't talking about you, but as you have encouraged me to review your posts on this thread and to "prove it:"

We're not even talking about the male on male abuse. Oh, no, no, no.
No!

Oh, and women have abused and are abusing too.
I've been grabbed, & more, by women. And I ain't telling!
It’s not their turn to be publicly shamed.Replace all men in power positions with women--and in 20-30 years?-- you'll see the problem clearly.
Power abuse is a human weakness for a lot of humans


I do think some of your tone is hard to read due to different mother tongues, which is why I wasn't calling you out--yet.
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