Trump Directed Flynn to make contact with the Russians

Rum, beer, women, movies, nice websites, gaming, etc., without interrupting the flow of martial threads.

Trump Directed Flynn to make contact with the Russians

Postby oragami_itto on Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:57 am

JUST IN: @BrianRoss on @ABC News Special Report: Michael Flynn promised "full cooperation to the Mueller team" and is prepared to testify that as a candidate, Donald Trump "directed him to make contact with the Russians." http://abcn.ws/2AhU3Iq

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/michael- ... d=50849354

Retired Lt. Gen Michael Flynn has promised “full cooperation” in the special counsel’s Russia investigation and, according to a confidant, is prepared to testify that Donald Trump directed him to make contact with the Russians, initially as a way to work together to fight ISIS in Syria.

Interested in Russia Investigation?

Add Russia Investigation as an interest to stay up to date on the latest Russia Investigation news, video, and analysis from ABC News.
Russia Investigation Add Interest
The stunning turn comes as Flynn, who is cooperating with investigators in Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s probe, pleaded guilty to one count of lying to the FBI about his back-channel negotiations with the Russian ambassador – talks that occurred before Trump took office. The Special Counsel made the plea agreement public Friday morning.

A close confidant told ABC News that Flynn felt abandoned by Trump in recent weeks, and told friends about the decision to make the plea deal within the last 24 hours as he grew increasingly concerned about crippling legal costs he would face if he continued to contest the charges.

“It has been extraordinarily painful to endure these many months of false accusations of ‘treason’ and other outrageous acts,” Flynn said in a statement. “Such false accusations are contrary to everything I have ever done and stood for. But I recognize that the actions I acknowledged in court today were wrong, and, through my faith in God, I am working to set things right.”

PHOTO: Former U.S. National Security Adviser Michael Flynn arrives for a plea hearing at U.S. District Court, December 1, 2017.Jonathan Ernst/REUTERS
Former U.S. National Security Adviser Michael Flynn arrives for a plea hearing at U.S. District Court, December 1, 2017.
Richard Frankel, a former senior aide to Flynn and an ABC News contributor, said Flynn made his decision to cooperate under immense pressure, but he believes it is the right move for the country.

“I don't know how much General Flynn knows about any criminal activity that took place during the campaign or in the White House,” said Frankel, who also served in a senior role at the FBI. “However, General Flynn was a top adviser to President Trump in the campaign and a top adviser to him when he entered into the WH so if there are bodies buried so to speak, General Flynn would know about them in my opinion.”

Flynn was charged with lying to the FBI about the nature of his conversations with then-Russian ambassador to the United States Sergey Kislyak during the presidential transition. Those conversations led Russian officials to temper their response to increased U.S. sanctions, according to the charging documents.

The charge means Flynn could face up to five years in prison.

PHOTO:Former U.S. National Security Adviser Michael Flynn, left, with his attorney Robert Kelner, center, as he arrives for a plea hearing at U.S. District Court in Washington,D.C., Dec. 1, 2017.Jonathan Ernst/REUTERS
PHOTO:Former U.S. National Security Adviser Michael Flynn, left, with his attorney Robert Kelner, center, as he arrives for a plea hearing at U.S. District Court in Washington,D.C., Dec. 1, 2017.more +
Flynn became the latest and most-senior Trump associate to face charges in Mueller's probe and arrived at the U.S. District courthouse accompanied by his wife and attorney Robert Kelner after having been processed at the FBI Washington Field Office, where he was fingerprinted and photographed, according to FBI officials.

In court, the retired lieutenant general was asked by Federal Judge Rudolph Contreras if he had ever been a part of similar proceedings, to which Flynn replied that he had not. Contreras then asked Kelner whether he was correct in assuming that Flynn was pleading guilty.

"Yes, your honor," said Kelner.

After the hearing, Flynn was free to go, but has to check in with authorities each week. Sentencing has been put off for now — and the judge noted that Flynn is agreeing to cooperate with authorities in other matters.

Flynn's lawyer meets with members of special counsel's team, raising specter of plea deal
Kushner met with special counsel earlier this month, conversation focused on Flynn
Flynn had initially resisted cooperating with the investigation, according to people close to the retired general, but he has been facing mounting legal debts and plans to sell his house to help defray costs.

He only recently learned the full scope of the charges he could potentially face. Last week, Trump lawyers received calls from Kelner, alerting them that he could no longer participate in information exchanges with other possible Mueller targets, the first public indication that a plea deal was in the works.

“My guilty plea and agreement to cooperate with the Special Counsel's Office reflect a decision I made in the best interests of my family and of our country,” Flynn said. “I accept full responsibility for my actions.”

Trump and his legal team have learned of Flynn's decision via news reports Friday morning, according to sources with knowledge of the situation.

On Monday, Kelner was spotted exiting a meeting at Mueller’s offices in Washington, ABC News reported.

Flynn is a decorated military officer who once headed the Defense Intelligence Agency and, after leaving government, spoke frequently at Trump campaign rallies. He began facing scrutiny after it was learned he took payment to attend a Russian television event, at which he appeared seated next to Russian President Vladimir Putin.

PHOTO:Former Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn, center, arrives at federal court in Washington, Friday, Dec. 1, 2017. At left is his attorney,Robert Kelner. Flynns wife, Lori Andrade, is at right.Susan Walsh/AP Photo
PHOTO:Former Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn, center, arrives at federal court in Washington, Friday, Dec. 1, 2017. At left is his attorney,Robert Kelner. Flynn's wife, Lori Andrade, is at right.more +
That scrutiny only increased after he took over as Trump’s national security adviser. He was ultimately forced to resign after just a few weeks on the job after it was revealed that he misled Vice President Mike Pence and other administration officials about his meeting with the Russian ambassador.

Flynn initially denied that he discussed U.S. sanctions placed on Russia with Kislyak, but transcripts of Flynn and Kislyak’s phone calls reviewed by Justice Department lawyers showed otherwise.

Flynn was paid over $500,000 by foreign clients for consulting work and speaking fees – including contracts he allegedly failed to list on applications for security clearances and financial disclosure forms. He also only belatedly disclosed lobbying work his firm engaged in on behalf of the Turkish government.

Trump reportedly attempted to persuade the FBI to drop its investigation into Flynn’s conduct. In a Feb. 14 meeting at the White House, Trump reportedly told then-FBI Director James Comey to “let this go.”

“I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go,” Trump told Comey, according to a memo Comey wrote afterwards, which was later described by the New York Times. “He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go.”

PHOTO: Gen. Michael Flynn, former national security adviser, leaves Federal Court Dec. 1, 2017 in Washington, DC, after he pleaded guilty to one count of lying to the FBI about his back-channel negotiations with the Russian ambassador. Brendan Smialowski/AFP/Getty Images
Gen. Michael Flynn, former national security adviser, leaves Federal Court Dec. 1, 2017 in Washington, DC, after he pleaded guilty to one count of lying to the FBI about his back-channel negotiations with the Russian ambassador. more +
On Oct. 30, two members of Trump's campaign staff, former campaign chair Paul Manafort and his longtime associate Rick Gates, were indicted on 12 counts brought by Mueller's team related to work done prior to joining the Trump campaign, including conspiracy against the U.S., conspiracy to launder money and serving as an unregistered agent of a foreign principal.

That same day, it was also revealed that a third Trump campaign adviser, George Papadopoulos, pleaded guilty earlier in the month to making false statements to FBI agents probing his attempts to arrange a meeting between Russian officials and the campaign.

ABC News' Jack Date, Geneva Sands, Mike Levine, Trish Turner and John Santucci contributed to this report.

This is a developing story. Please check back for updates.
"This principle is very obvious and requires no further elaboration."
-Yang Cheng Fu
User avatar
oragami_itto
Wuji
 
Posts: 775
Joined: Wed Oct 05, 2016 10:11 pm
Location: Austin, TX

Re: Trump Directed Flynn to make contact with the Russians

Postby oragami_itto on Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:00 am

what do you figure the odds are he winds up dead?
"This principle is very obvious and requires no further elaboration."
-Yang Cheng Fu
User avatar
oragami_itto
Wuji
 
Posts: 775
Joined: Wed Oct 05, 2016 10:11 pm
Location: Austin, TX

Re: Trump Directed Flynn to make contact with the Russians

Postby yeniseri on Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:27 pm

oragami_itto wrote:what do you figure the odds are he winds up dead?


He is a general, has great backup and his protection team (just a guess) has the inside scoop based on his previous military affiliations.
When fascism comes to US America, It will be wrapped in the US flag and waving a cross. An astute patriot
yeniseri
Wuji
 
Posts: 3088
Joined: Sat Dec 12, 2009 1:49 pm
Location: USA

Re: Trump Directed Flynn to make contact with the Russians

Postby Ian C. Kuzushi on Fri Dec 01, 2017 6:11 pm

Yeah, other than eating his gun, I don't see it happening. Besides, that's the cry of the Alt-Right.
文武両道。

Lord Li requires one hundred gold coins per day!
User avatar
Ian C. Kuzushi
Great Old One
 
Posts: 1674
Joined: Sun May 15, 2011 10:02 pm

Re: Trump Directed Flynn to make contact with the Russians

Postby windwalker on Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:37 pm

oragami_itto wrote:what do you figure the odds are he winds up dead?


clarification tonight on something one of Flynn’s confidants told us, and we reported earlier today. He said the President had asked Flynn to contact Russia during the campaign. He’s now clarifying that saying according to Flynn, candidate Trump asked him during the campaign to find ways to repair relations with Russia and other hot spots, and then after the election, the President-elect asked him, told him to contact Russia on issues, including working together to fight ISIS.”
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/12/ ... -russians/


Maybe not today
Last edited by windwalker on Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:17 am, edited 1 time in total.
rule 19
windwalker
Wuji
 
Posts: 6128
Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2012 4:08 am

Re: Trump Directed Flynn to make contact with the Russians

Postby Steve James on Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:58 pm

something one of Flynn’s confidants told us, and we reported earlier today. He said


:) Who is "one of Flynn's confidants" and why should we believe whoever it is anonymously and at second hand. It's (according to Breitbart) "he said" that "Flynn said" that "the President" said.

There is no reason at all to believe this. What matters is what Flynn and the president say in public, not what someone says someone said. As it stands, Flynn said that he lied. Comey went after him, so the president fired Comey. That's what started the whole process of a special counsel and investigation.

Oh well, it could all have been avoided if ... people had just told the truth. But, ethics is not a strong point in this administration at any level --well, except for the people who resign in disgust.
"A man is rich when he has time and freewill. How he chooses to invest both will determine the return on his investment."
User avatar
Steve James
Great Old One
 
Posts: 16244
Joined: Tue May 13, 2008 8:20 am

Re: Trump Directed Flynn to make contact with the Russians

Postby windwalker on Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:21 am

Steve James wrote: That's what started the whole process of a special counsel and investigation.


You might try using facts as to what started the investigation.

Lets try it,

What did start the investigation?
Why was it called?
What have they found directly related to it?
rule 19
windwalker
Wuji
 
Posts: 6128
Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2012 4:08 am

Re: Trump Directed Flynn to make contact with the Russians

Postby Ian C. Kuzushi on Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:54 am

windwalker wrote:
Steve James wrote: That's what started the whole process of a special counsel and investigation.


You might try using facts as to what started the investigation.

Lets try it,

What did start the investigation?
Why was it called?
What have they found directly related to it?


From the guy who posts a Breitbart article citing hearsay. Facts have never been the strong suit of Trump supporters, just as history has never been the strong suit of conservatives.
文武両道。

Lord Li requires one hundred gold coins per day!
User avatar
Ian C. Kuzushi
Great Old One
 
Posts: 1674
Joined: Sun May 15, 2011 10:02 pm

Re: Trump Directed Flynn to make contact with the Russians

Postby Michael on Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:28 am

Ian C. Kuzushi wrote:
windwalker wrote:
Steve James wrote: That's what started the whole process of a special counsel and investigation.


You might try using facts as to what started the investigation.

Lets try it,

What did start the investigation?
Why was it called?
What have they found directly related to it?


From the guy who posts a Breitbart article citing hearsay. Facts have never been the strong suit of Trump supporters, just as history has never been the strong suit of conservatives.

Pull yer horns in, Tex. The Breitbart article was just quoting ABC and embedding their link of Brian Ross posting a clarification.
User avatar
Michael
Great Old One
 
Posts: 11556
Joined: Fri May 02, 2008 7:05 pm
Location: Guangzhou, China

Re: Trump Directed Flynn to make contact with the Russians

Postby Steve James on Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:07 am

It doesn't matter who said that a "confidant said that...". What matters is what Flynn said. Quote him, or quote the prez.
"A man is rich when he has time and freewill. How he chooses to invest both will determine the return on his investment."
User avatar
Steve James
Great Old One
 
Posts: 16244
Joined: Tue May 13, 2008 8:20 am

Re: Trump Directed Flynn to make contact with the Russians

Postby oragami_itto on Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:13 am

"but a reporter said there was nothing there"

Independant counsel disagrees.

What you've got evidence of, even with the breitbart quote, is treason. The sitting president enacted foreign policy for a specific purpose, and Trump sent his minions to undermine that purpose.

Sanctions were enacted in response to intelligence agencies finding the Russians were attempting to influence our election, and the candidate they were helping sent a guy to say "don't worry about those sanctions, we'll lift them when we get elected".

It's the same MO as Sheriff Joe, "don't worry bout them charges, you're pardoned" before the trial was even finished.

The only thing I'm actually interested in response is how a human being with a brain could still be making excuses for this dumpster fire. It's fascinating phenomena.
"This principle is very obvious and requires no further elaboration."
-Yang Cheng Fu
User avatar
oragami_itto
Wuji
 
Posts: 775
Joined: Wed Oct 05, 2016 10:11 pm
Location: Austin, TX

Re: Trump Directed Flynn to make contact with the Russians

Postby windwalker on Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:38 am

oragami_itto wrote:

What you've got evidence of, even with the breitbart quote, is treason. The sitting president enacted foreign policy for a specific purpose, and Trump sent his minions to undermine that purpose.


And you have proof of this, of course.

Wow so this is what it's about "treason" and all this time I thought it was some about how the Russians
affected the election... good to know...its treason


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsFR8DbSRQE


What exactly did Flynn, admit to.
Odd how Comey, found the same things and concluded nothing, and yet Muller looking at the same things
finds different and gets him to admit to a lesser charge of " you can answer this"

I do agree it is amusing, watching things get knocked down by facts as they arise.
back to the regular scheduled program
Last edited by windwalker on Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:47 am, edited 2 times in total.
rule 19
windwalker
Wuji
 
Posts: 6128
Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2012 4:08 am

Re: Trump Directed Flynn to make contact with the Russians

Postby oragami_itto on Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:52 am

Read the court papers, they're in the first link I posted.

This is just the first Domino. When they're done falling we'll see the damage
"This principle is very obvious and requires no further elaboration."
-Yang Cheng Fu
User avatar
oragami_itto
Wuji
 
Posts: 775
Joined: Wed Oct 05, 2016 10:11 pm
Location: Austin, TX

Re: Trump Directed Flynn to make contact with the Russians

Postby oragami_itto on Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:03 am

To answer directly, he previously told the FBI he met with them but they didn't discuss the sanctions. Now he has pled guilty to lying to the FBI. So he did discuss the sanctions. So he was engaged in making foreign policy and negotiating with foreign powers when he was not authorized by the government to do so. Negotiate in direct opposition to active policy.

This is what Comey was investigating when he was fired to stop the investigation, and why there is a special counsel.

I'd like my nothingburger with extra pickle, please
"This principle is very obvious and requires no further elaboration."
-Yang Cheng Fu
User avatar
oragami_itto
Wuji
 
Posts: 775
Joined: Wed Oct 05, 2016 10:11 pm
Location: Austin, TX

Re: Trump Directed Flynn to make contact with the Russians

Postby Steve James on Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:10 am

What exactly did Flynn, admit to.


Deliberately lying to the FBI.

Odd how Comey, found the same things and concluded nothing


Another lie. Trump fired Comey because he was investigating Flynn. He said it was because of Clinton, but Comey released files on Clinton before the election --and Trump was happy about it, and about Russian hacking.
"A man is rich when he has time and freewill. How he chooses to invest both will determine the return on his investment."
User avatar
Steve James
Great Old One
 
Posts: 16244
Joined: Tue May 13, 2008 8:20 am

Next

Return to Off the Topic

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest