the rum soaked fist: internal martial arts forum

Michael wrote:One of the women whom Ian and Rob describe as having highly suspect motives is Christina Hoff Summers, a long-time feminist, who appeared for a 4 minute interview with Tucker Carlson about the dangers of the metoo movement.

Michael wrote:
Rob, I'm just floored by your statement that women (you've known??) have worked in places where they have to expect and have put up with being groped.
I have never heard a woman ever say she worked in such an environment, so WTF? Am I really supposed to believe this? Human resources doesn't exist in the UK? No labour laws? No criminal laws? What??? Or were you just referencing the Elizabethan era of a sudden?

northern_mantis wrote:For anybody that thinks that sexism and harassment and worse against women is really at the epidemic levels claimed and not just a tool of identity politics, could you please provide links to evidence. I believe it does and will always happen in small numbers as will other crimes but I’m open minded to changing my viewpoint when proved wrong. There’s no shortage of very public claims with detailed accounts so there’s no argument to suggest the evidence is kept privately. So please provide links to emails, phone transcriptions, audio, video containing these crimes/inappropriate behaviour.

Like I said it’s easy to obtain so there must be an abundance of it if the situation is as claimed. How hard is it to put a dictaphone in your pocket to record an inappropriate conversation. If there’s anything other than an abundance of strong evidence publicly available just like the claims themselves, then there’s really nothing further to say.

Dmitri wrote:And this, too, shall pass...

As a side note, -- with all this "men vs women" theme, one might wonder where do the transgender folk belong, on which side of the Blame Fence?

It's simple really, -- a crime reported, it needs to be investigated and either dismissed or prosecuted -- just like what society tries to do with any other crime. I don't get that makes this any more special that yer regular, run-of-the-mill murder or robbery... (aside from it currently being a hot topic in the news and some people jumping on it solely because of that...?)

Michael wrote:One of the women whom Ian and Rob describe as having highly suspect motives is Christina Hoff Summers, a long-time feminist, who appeared for a 4 minute interview with Tucker Carlson about the dangers of the metoo movement.

RobP3 wrote:

Ian C. Kuzushi wrote:And my point is that, while there may be some very small amount of that, it's blown out of proportion and the motives behind that are highly suspect.

This.

I didn't describe any woman of having suspect motives. You are just playing games again.

Michael wrote:Rob, I'm just floored by your statement that women (you've known??) have worked in places where they have to expect and have put up with being groped.
I have never heard a woman ever say she worked in such an environment, so WTF? Am I really supposed to believe this? Human resources doesn't exist in the UK? No labour laws? No criminal laws? What??? Or were you just referencing the Elizabethan era of a sudden?

RobP3 wrote:It has improved a lot over time, but the 70s was where I first saw it in the workplace. Aside from that, experiences of family / girlfriends. I understand it might make you uncomfortable to believe it, or that it doesn't fit into your world view, or at least your "online" world view. I could draw on my time working in a Crown Court too.

Or you could spend some time with my wife's team in the local police. Sexual assault, domestic violence, sex trafficking. It would be interesting to see accusations of "making it all up" made directly to alleged victims.

It's interesting, certain groups here in the UK take a similar line on "witch hunts" and the like, until it came to the Rotherham et al cases. I wonder why that was?

Michael wrote:[ Why are you becoming so defensive?