Michael wrote:One of the women whom Ian and Rob describe as having highly suspect motives is Christina Hoff Summers, a long-time feminist, who appeared for a 4 minute interview with Tucker Carlson about the dangers of the metoo movement.
RobP3 wrote:Ian C. Kuzushi wrote:And my point is that, while there may be some very small amount of that, it's blown out of proportion and the motives behind that are highly suspect.
This.
I didn't describe any woman of having suspect motives. You are just playing games again.
I began this thread with an article from 13 women who have qualms about the metoo movement, including Christina Hoff Sommers, later shown in a video in the thread as well. Ian said he highly suspected my motives, but those are the same as their motives, and you agreed with him. By suspecting my motives, you are impugning theirs as well. The dots really connect themselves here.
Michael wrote:Rob, I'm just floored by your statement that women (you've known??) have worked in places where they have to expect and have put up with being groped.
I have never heard a woman ever say she worked in such an environment, so WTF? Am I really supposed to believe this? Human resources doesn't exist in the UK? No labour laws? No criminal laws? What??? Or were you just referencing the Elizabethan era of a sudden?
RobP3 wrote:It has improved a lot over time, but the 70s was where I first saw it in the workplace. Aside from that, experiences of family / girlfriends. I understand it might make you uncomfortable to believe it, or that it doesn't fit into your world view, or at least your "online" world view. I could draw on my time working in a Crown Court too.
I was specifically referring to your statement that women are expected to accept groping in the
work place as if this were normal. This is not true today, nor at any time in my memory in the USA and I don't think you're much older than I. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I'm saying it's not tolerated and women are not expected to accept it. The difference between wrongful and accepted is what's important so, it's nothing to do with my worldview, it's simply a difference in our experiences and also in your mistake of not remaining consistent in the pertinent details of what you said at first about work place groping and what you are now expanding to include, such as sex trafficking, domestic violence, rape, etc.
Or you could spend some time with my wife's team in the local police. Sexual assault, domestic violence, sex trafficking. It would be interesting to see accusations of "making it all up" made directly to alleged victims.
I never said it was made up and I do not deny these things occur. You're the one who posted the article about a UK woman convicted of false rape allegations on her fourth go after having already put a man behind bars falsely for 7 years, so we're neither of us disputing that occurs, however rarely. Why are you becoming so defensive?
It's interesting, certain groups here in the UK take a similar line on "witch hunts" and the like, until it came to the Rotherham et al cases. I wonder why that was?
Can you explain this? I'm not sure which attitude you're expecting people to have in order to agree or disagree with you. Your reference is unclear.
EDIT: Ah, I just realized your meaning about witch hunt hypocrisy.