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Re: Reverse Robin Hood

Postby Michael on Fri Feb 09, 2018 4:54 pm

Tipping can be a very good incentive that benefits customers, servers and restaurants and I've seen restaurants where tipping works really well; wait staff earn decent money because of an exceptionally good service they provide to the customer. It falls apart when the restaurant management takes some of their money by sharing the tips they've earned to other workers, keeping the tips for the owners, or requiring people whose effective wages are based tips to do labor without the opportunity for tips, like cleaning, sidework, and other chores. When I was a waiter in college, it was 30 min to two hours per shift of work with no potential for tips.
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Re: Reverse Robin Hood

Postby Steve James on Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:03 pm

Sure, but taking from the servers to give to the owners is just the American way.
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Re: Reverse Robin Hood

Postby Michael on Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:29 am

Maybe that's why Murika has such high standards for restaurant service?

Straining my eyes to find the silver lining, eh.
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Re: Reverse Robin Hood

Postby oragami_itto on Sat Feb 10, 2018 7:45 am

I assume by that statement that you've never eaten in Europe.

American restaurant "standards" are deplorable
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Re: Reverse Robin Hood

Postby oragami_itto on Sat Feb 10, 2018 7:46 am

We don't have restaurants, we have a network of investments owners mainly by a handful of companies that all buy their food mainly pre prepared from the same supply company. It's a joke.
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Re: Reverse Robin Hood

Postby oragami_itto on Sat Feb 10, 2018 7:50 am

Though I guess you were referring specifically to service. I honestly couldn't tell the difference overseas. Italians were fabulous, Germans were great, the French were French, service is about the same everywhere. The difference is the holding of the compensation over the servers head, which any fault with the meal or environment is itself used as an excuse to withhold. Tipping is disgusting the more you look at it.
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Re: Reverse Robin Hood

Postby Finny on Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:02 pm

Am I reading this aright? Talk of the pitfalls of selective payment for the lowest earners in an economy, and not a single shout of 'COMMUNIST'!?!

Do you lot even 'murica?
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Re: Reverse Robin Hood

Postby edededed on Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:09 pm

No tips in Japan, but the service is arguably the best in the world.
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Re: Reverse Robin Hood

Postby Ian C. Kuzushi on Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:13 pm

edededed wrote:No tips in Japan, but the service is arguably the best in the world.


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Re: Reverse Robin Hood

Postby Michael on Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:03 am

oragami_itto wrote:I assume by that statement that you've never eaten in Europe.

American restaurant "standards" are deplorable

I've been in Europe twice: Zurich, Prague, Budapest and some little cities in-between those. Restaurant service wasn't something I was grading very closely, but I seem to recall thinking it was not as good as my experiences, mostly in Dallas.

Mainland China is a different story, but perhaps not a surprise, developing country, whatever.

My impressions of all this stuff are also over 15 years old, so maybe things changed or Trumpism is inducing a fallacious impression of the greatness of American waitstaff, lol. Hope I get a chance to do some eating in Italy one day and see what it's like.
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Re: Reverse Robin Hood

Postby Steve James on Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:39 am

I can't really generalize about the quality of service in Europe. It depends on exactly where and when. It's possible to get crappy food almost anywhere (though Switzerland and Norway are fairly unique in that regard). It's hard to find poor quality food there, no matter where you go. You might not be interested in eating some things --like cheese salad or rotten fish delicacies, but that's another story. At any rate, servers there don't expect tips, especially not 15 to 20%. Their countries have them covered.
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Re: Reverse Robin Hood

Postby Steve James on Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:52 am

This is ironic, from a Robin Hood point of view ;).
WASHINGTON, Feb 14 (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump endorsed hiking the federal gasoline tax by 25 cents a gallon in a meeting with lawmakers on Wednesday about funding his infrastructure spending proposal, a Democratic lawmaker said.
Senator Tom Carper, who attended the meeting, confirmed a report by online publication Axios that the Republican president had backed the increase. The 18.4-cent-a-gallon tax on gasoline has not been hiked since 1993. The federal diesel tax is 24.4 cents a gallon.
"To my surprise, President Trump, today in our meeting, offered his support for raising the gas and diesel tax by 25 cents a gallon and dedicating that money to improve our roads, highways, and bridges," Carper said in a statement. "The president even offered to help provide the leadership necessary so that we could do something that has proven difficult in the past."
The White House did not confirm that Trump backed a gasoline tax hike in the meeting.

A White House official noted that Trump "has said everything is on the table" to achieve infrastructure improvements. "The gas tax has its pros and cons, and that’s why the president is leading a thoughtful discussion on the right way to solve our nation’s infrastructure problems," the official added.
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Re: Reverse Robin Hood

Postby Michael on Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:16 am

I don't think Trump would be dumb enough to allow that kind of tax increase.
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