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Bao wrote:

Trick wrote:Are the US and EU governments into this conflict with a humanitarian heart for the people of Syria or is it because of something else? Get the feeling that US/EU seem to be the aggressors wanting to attack another nation

No EU country wants war in Syria.

I don't know how it is to be an American, but you who live in the US, don't you feel rage against the government who is always prepared to throw away young american lives when oil comes into play? The US never cares about genocides, or anything that happens in Africa or in any non-oil country. But as soon oil comes int play, they seem to always be eager to start war.

grzegorz wrote:UK and France(their governments) seem hot on it

grzegorz wrote:

Bao wrote:

Trick wrote:Are the US and EU governments into this conflict with a humanitarian heart for the people of Syria or is it because of something else? Get the feeling that US/EU seem to be the aggressors wanting to attack another nation

No EU country wants war in Syria.

I don't know how it is to be an American, but you who live in the US, don't you feel rage against the government who is always prepared to throw away young american lives when oil comes into play? The US never cares about genocides, or anything that happens in Africa or in any non-oil country. But as soon oil comes int play, they seem to always be eager to start war.

How do we feel? I can tell you that I feel like a foreigner in my own country because instead of my fellow country men and women questioning endless war they tell me the media is liberal, Muslims want to take over the world, and we have to fight them over there so they don't come over here. Like many Poles and Hungarians we have been brainwashed to believe that authoritarianism is the answer to all our fears.

RobP3 wrote:Heard last night on BBC Newsnight
"Well the Russians are being aggressive. They have threatened to shoot down the missiles we may fire at them!"

Trick wrote:Those two send most of the troops for obvious reason, with the support from from most if not all EU countries...There is big talks about creating an EU-army in a soon future, and that one would of course work side by side with NATO(US)......But who knows with the politicians to be, maybe they will play an EU vs US war

grzegorz wrote:

Trick wrote:Those two send most of the troops for obvious reason, with the support from from most if not all EU countries...There is big talks about creating an EU-army in a soon future, and that one would of course work side by side with NATO(US)......But who knows with the politicians to be, maybe they will play an EU vs US war

Well that has not happened yet so saying it is the EU is way off. That would be like saying NAFTA or the TPP attacked Syria.

But yes, I get it this is a way to stir up anti-EU sentiment.

I could care less either way but I will take facts over fiction.

If true, this shows just how available missile defense is to people who can pay for it.

Steve James wrote:NATO, by default, includes the EU countries and the US. There may one day be a unified EU military, which in some ways might be helpful in deterring intra-European wars. However, imo, there's never going to be an EU v NATO (or US) conflict. European wars have always been about obtaining land (und raum). After WW2, the conflict was about political control, and only changed after the fall of the Berlin Wall. Putin (with the annexation of Crimea) sort of rolled things back to the old pattern. I recall people saying that Crimea, and even the Ukraine, were historically part of the Russian Empire. True, but that logic opens up a big can of worms.