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Postby Wuyizidi on Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:01 pm

The reason so many things, even very basic ones, are now not made in U.S, is not because we can't, but because it's too expensive. It was not too expensive before because China and India (40% of global work force) were not part of global labor market. Now that is, given the low standards of living there, for now, it's just so much cheaper to make everything there.

China has no modern industrial base or manufacturing expertise to speak of 30 years ago when it started changing its economic system. It was not capable of making cheaper products that can compete here (and put people here out of business) in the same way Japan, Korea can do. So who's really putting people out of business in this case? People like Sam Walton: http://prospect.org/cs/articles?article ... arts_image

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The story isn't part of the official Wal-Mart creation epic, but it tells us almost all we need to know about the company's approach to the interests of its employees and the laws of the nation. Around the time that the young Sam Walton opened his first stores, John Kennedy redeemed a presidential campaign promise by persuading Congress to extend the minimum wage to retail workers, who had until then not been covered by the law. Congress granted an exclusion, however, to small businesses with annual sales beneath $1 million -- a figure that in 1965 it lowered to $250,000.

Walton was furious. The mechanization of agriculture had finally reached the backwaters of the Ozark Plateau, where he was opening one store after another. The men and women who had formerly worked on small farms suddenly found themselves redundant, and he could scoop them up for a song, as little as 50 cents an hour. Now the goddamn federal government was telling him he had to pay his workers the $1.15 hourly minimum. Walton's response was to divide up his stores into individual companies whose revenues didn't exceed the $250,000 threshold. Eventually, though, a federal court ruled that this was simply a scheme to avoid paying the minimum wage, and he was ordered to pay his workers the accumulated sums he owed them, plus a double-time penalty thrown in for good measure.

Wal-Mart cut the checks, but Walton also summoned the employees at a major cluster of his stores to a meeting. "I'll fire anyone who cashes the check," he told them.


I'm not singling out Walton, because he's just doing what any really smart capitalist would do. I'm not one of those alarmists, conspiracy theorists, but we are at a stage now where corporations are so large, so borderless, that we can't automatically assume what's good for GM is what's good for America, or more broadly, what is good for capitalism is automatically good for any one country, even America. Because these for-profit organizations will run roughshod over interest of any country or its people when huge profits are involved.
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Re: Walmart

Postby Bär on Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:08 pm

Well, when Walton and his ilk wrap themselves in the US flag and tout all kinds of jingoistic nonsense, yet don't sell much of anything made in country, it's kind of hard to give them any slack either.
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Re: Walmart

Postby meeks on Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:58 pm

it's not really too expensive - many companies still manufacture products in the USA/Canada and offer their products at the same price the products manufactured in China are manufactured for. When a company moves their manufacturing to China they don't drop their prices to match the money saved - prices stay the same. That extra profit margin goes to the execs and their wallets with no 'savings' past on to the consumer. Oh sure, Walmart might 'drop their prices' by a few cents to give the illusion of being competitive but really they're making a killing. When you look at products made/sold in USA for the similar price, it's being done at a profit deemed 'good' by the manufacturer/distributors. So we can't say "it's too expensive" (to manufacture here) - we should say "there's 90% more profit margin tucked into the price" (when manufactured overseas).
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Re: Walmart

Postby Steve James on Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:23 pm

I'd offer that it is not the cost of manufacturing that has made the difference, when it comes to India and China's workforce. Cheap labor can be had in places that are closer, and is. The big change has been the use of containers, which reduces the cost of transportation worldwide, not just to the US. Though, it made "Walmart" what it is.

Imo, people don't buy Chinese stuff because it's cheaper. Often, it's the only choice in the store. It's always, or almost always, possible to find similar American made products of better quality. They just aren't always on the shelves or racks. Then again, there are different reasons why certain industries are affected, such as the auto-industry. The most popular cars are Japanese makes made in the US. IInm, we sort of coerced the Japanese to move some of their facilities here. But, Lexus, Mercedes, Ferrari, BMW have plants in Mexico.

We (USAmericans) can always manufacture cheap stuff, but who'd we sell it to on the international market? They already buy our junk to recycle and reuse.
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Re: Walmart

Postby tastydurian on Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:35 pm

There's a good article in this week's Business Week talking about manufacturing in America. Basically, it's not necessarily that other countries have cheaper labor, the US just doesn't have the policies in place to support its growth:

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/co ... ries_ssi_5
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Re: Walmart

Postby Darth Rock&Roll on Mon Sep 14, 2009 3:44 am

Fuck the Waltons. they'd have slaves if they could.

simply don't shop at walmart.

It's that simple.
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Re: Walmart

Postby Muad'dib on Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:33 am

www.americanapparel.com

Also, these days quite a bit of manufacturing is leaving China. That's why some of your shirts now say Made in Vietnam, or Malaysia. If I were to start a clothing line, I would most likely put the factories in Vietnam.
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Re: Walmart

Postby Darth Rock&Roll on Tue Sep 15, 2009 6:04 am

Or you could set up a shop in Canada and fill it with tamils and vietnamese.

you can still run it cheap too!

as long as you pick a low minimum wage province.

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Re: Walmart

Postby Muad'dib on Tue Sep 15, 2009 6:17 am

That is a good point. As an aside, when my teacher first came to America, she worked in a sweatshop south of market in SF. Even 7 years ago, and presumably to this day, the 30 stockton headed from Chinatown was/most likely is packed with Chinese headed there to work for substandard wages.

As pointed out by meeks, the reason goods are made abroad is about profit, though not so much for the executives directly. Their salaries are determined by a smooth increase in profits, which leads to increase in stock price, which then gives them bonus, so there is some relation but not necessarily direct.

And on the quality side, I say this. I have 9 suits. Two are made in Japan, one I bought at Jos a Bank last year and is made in Mexico. The other seven were my father's, and were made in the US during the 70's (but not with bell bottoms). The Japanese suits are doing okay after 5 years, the mexican Jos suit is falling apart after one year, and the suits made in the US are damn near bulletproof.
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Re: Walmart

Postby Ian on Tue Sep 15, 2009 6:29 am

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