Michael wrote:Moral truth is not completely known and understood, it is searched for and tested the same as scientific truth. There is no transcendent arbiter of what is scientific fact and what is not.
So you think I haven't done any research on this topic? C'mon, you're not the only one who's ever cracked open a book. I don't want to see our ecology ruined, but I think it's best to find solutions that include human growth and do not advocate coercive population controls.
If man is just an animal, like all the other apes and whatnot, how is it he has the awareness to know this and adjust his normal behavior to prevent ecological disaster? Or is it only a certain few of the naked apes that have this awareness and deserve to live while the rest are culled?
PartridgeRun wrote:We won't prevent ecological collapse PRECISELY because we're biased against self-knowledge and PRECISELY because scientific thinking isn't natural to us, it takes hard work to think scientifically Michael. And reading your citations of the utterly absurd claims that we can basically procreate as we would like and other equally inane claims, tells me that - indeed no - you haven't done your homework on the subject Michael.
This discussion is going nowhere, because you're ignorant on the subject-matter and you can't be bothered to redress that fact.
Have the last word Michael.
Interloper wrote:I think it's fair to say that certain groups claim to do "science," when in fact they are just mimicking the process and arriving at false conclusions based on false premises. The Nazi "scientists" are an example of that.
Some groups may follow the scientific method to a limited extent, then twist the "results" to their favor. Like that old saying that "Statistics don't lie, but statisticians do."
Nazi's advanced science quite a lot
Darth Rock&Roll wrote:Interloper wrote:I think it's fair to say that certain groups claim to do "science," when in fact they are just mimicking the process and arriving at false conclusions based on false premises. The Nazi "scientists" are an example of that.
Some groups may follow the scientific method to a limited extent, then twist the "results" to their favor. Like that old saying that "Statistics don't lie, but statisticians do."
Not to be harsh, but the Nazi's advanced science quite a lot.
Astoundingly one could say that if not for the nazis scientific efforts we would not have the level of rocket science, metallurgy, jet propulsion and even understanding of human DNA had they not endeavoured to rule the world.
sometimes good things come from bad places and vice versa.
Steve James wrote:Fwiw, von Braun did join the Nazi party, was a member of the Waffen SS. And, his work did blaze the trail for further developments in rocketry. True, his work was with the army, developing V1s and V2s to use to bomb the Allies. But, that's war science, not Nazi science. Einstein was German, too, no?
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