Doubt about Adolf Hitler suicide story

[Michael]

So, Hitler would be what, about 120 years old now? What you have to worry about is children singing love songs to the leader now and here. Mmm mmm mmm!

Haven't you read up on the future? It's not enough to obey your government, you must love it. Worship it.

Here's an example of children in a New Jersey school being taught an Obama worship song that borrows lyrics from the old "Jesus Loves the Little Children" tune.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDDCRe_QzuM



Here's the original song, "Jesus Loves the Little Children" if you want to compare:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh1ByGgAWPE

[Darth Rock&Roll]

He is not alive. lol

He supposedly died in 1960, 15 years after the official end of ww2, in Argentina.

South America is filled with ex nazis and their offspring.

Just saying. I know it's all "conspiracy theory" but in my view, it's just typical of the powers that be to redact history in this way.

the royals and power elite are a weird bunch of people after all. Obsessed with being pharonic in stature and looking to be a footnote at least in history.

Hitler is larger than life all these years after his death still. This is why people become mass murderers after all.
To be famous!

NO one remembers your grampa, but everyone remembers Ted Bundy. See how that works?
No one remembers the guy who goes out everyday to give sandwiches to homeless people, but everyone remembers the hillside strangler, jack the ripper and various other human abominations.

get it?

still wanna be famous? you gotta get some blood on your hands! lol

[Steve James]

Hmm, with all these comparisons, I need to be reminded. What exactly did Hitler do that was wrong?

[Darth Rock&Roll]

Hmm, with all these comparisons, I need to be reminded. What exactly did Hitler do that was wrong?

He sanctioned discriminatory murder of social groups based on traits, behaviours, ethnicity and religion.

He ordered attacks on countries in Europe, asia and africa and started the most devastating war in the history of mankind with his transgressions and desperate attempt at installing fascism as the foundation of an empire he intended to last for 1000 years.

Other than that, not much really.

[Michael]

Hmm, with all these comparisons, I need to be reminded. What exactly did Hitler do that was wrong?

He was funded by people who double-crossed him, whose descendants are still in power today in Wall Street and the banking and legal centers in The City of London, continuing the same policies Hitler executed, using more technologically advanced versions of incrementalism and divide and conquer to increase their power. It wasn't the Allies as nations-states who won the war, it was the Fabian Socialists who won the war so their ideology—no different from Hitler's—and their more gradual method of carrying out eugenics could continue. The German NAZI's came to America to rejoin their ideological brothers and we continue the march toward "progress".

[Steve James]

Well, Michael, you didn't really answer the question. Of course, my comment/question was really to show how ludicrous it is to compare Obama to Hitler. If your answer is what Hitler did wrong, then every American president since Hoover compares. Imo, if we compare the annihilation of millions, (through) imperialist military expansion, (and) discriminatory racial/ethnic policies, etc., (i.e., what I think made Hitler "evil"), then I think Obama is probably the least Hitleresque American president ever. Granted, the economic elites who were in power pre-Hitler are still in power.

[Dmitri]

Hmm, and all this time I thought it was just a simple alien invasion.

[Michael]

Well, Michael, you didn't really answer the question. Of course, my comment/question was really to show how ludicrous it is to compare Obama to Hitler. If your answer is what Hitler did wrong, then every American president since Hoover compares. Imo, if we compare the annihilation of millions, (through) imperialist military expansion, (and) discriminatory racial/ethnic policies, etc., (i.e., what I think made Hitler "evil"), then I think Obama is probably the least Hitleresque American president ever. Granted, the economic elites who were in power pre-Hitler are still in power.

It's funny how you explain the exact point I made, agree with it, and yet say I didn't answer your question. I kind of take if for granted that you didn't need someone to recount bodies for you to discuss what Hitler had done wrong. Hitler's "mistake" is exactly the same as Obama's: taking money from Wall Street. I don't know if Obama is a eugenicist, but he appointed a eugenicist as his "Science Czar", John Holdren, author of Eco Science. Obama also re-instated funding for abortions in Africa. It's indirect, but that's how Fabian Socialism rolls, much more covert than open-air death camps.

Making comparisons between Obama and Hitler is probably just taking the race bait (not implying you did that, Steve). It's not even necessary. Holdren's book speaks for itself. He could only have been appointed by and confirmed by a eugenicist government, IMO. I mean, have you read the pages of the book that were linked? It makes Brave New World or Mein Kampf look like Disney, and he is the top so-called scientific advisor in the US government. It all sounds very familiar to me if you replace "racial hygiene" with "ecology".

Obama is not personally the crux of the matter. The government is no more run by Obama than it was by Bush, Jr. The National Security Council runs the govt, Gen. James Jones is the National Security Advisor, and he said a few months ago that every morning he gets his orders from [the mass murderer and population control specialist] Henry Kissinger. This is not rocket science to see what's going on as long you don't get stuck on personalities like Obama or Hitler. Forget them, they're transient. Kissinger has been around forever. Brzezinski & Volcker have been around forever. They are running things after receiving their orders. The elites are eugenicists. Regardless of the beliefs of any particular president, the elites call the tune and the president dances ever since Wilson.

"Thank you for that wonderful tribute to Henry Kissinger yesterday. Congratulations. As the most recent National Security Advisor of the United States, I take my daily orders from Dr. Kissinger, filtered down through Generaal Brent Scowcroft and Sandy Berger, who is also here. We have a chain of command in the National Security Council that exists today.

Scowcroft is supposedly a Republican and the NSA under Bush, Sr. Berger is supposedly a Democrat and the NSA under Clinton. The eugenics agenda goes forward regardless of the stage craft of left vs. right performed for our benefit.

[Steve James]

Hitler's "mistake" is exactly the same as Obama's: taking money from Wall Street.

oh well, still misses the point. Which president you recall didn't take money from Wall Street?

[Michael]

You want to excuse Obama for being the "least Hitleresque", and question if other presidents took money from Wall Street, too. Who cares? Are those your points? They're not mine. If you are actually reading my posts, which seems doubtful, you may have seen that Obama is not the issue, so get over the fact that he turned up on a thread with Hitler's name. They're just symbols. I know this may be too complex for you, since all you are interested in doing is coming into a thread and continually saying "you missed the point", but if it is possible for you to get this point right now, try and understand that people worshiping politicians does not bode well for the future considering the results from past and present experience, Hitler being a prime example.

[Steve James]

I can tell when I'm getting my point across. No need to get personal, Mike. I didn't bring Obama up (or Jesus, either). I just commented on the utterly ridiculous comparison. I say that anyone who does it knows jack-shit about Hitler or Nazism. Actually, I consider them on the same level as holocaust deniers. Moreover, I think this type of "Big Lie" comparison seems right out of the Nazi propagandus campaign, and is insulting to the real victims of Hitler. People who aren't smart enough to see it for what it is will fall for it. Anyway, who did the American Nazi Party and Stormfront --people who'd love to have Hitler alive- vote for? Who do they support now? See, I'm still on Hitler --though it's obviously irrelevant to your argument, which, as you point out, isn't about Hitler anyway.

As for "who cares"... speak for yourself. And, so what you don't care? It's a free country. Sorry if I hurt your feelings, though.

[klonk]

It is you who have missed the point, Steve, or else evaded it. There is an uncomfortable similarity between the cult of personality surrounding Obama and that cultivated by any number of past tyrants. He is behaving himself for now. But we are watching.

[Steve James]

A "cult of personality" is one thing. Mass murder and racial cleansing are another. So, I think it's ignorant to make the comparison, or it's a matter of propaganda. Hitler was not your run of the mill tyrant. Few comparisons make any sense. However, that's just repeating myself. The other points I made haven't been addressed or refuted.

Kennedy had a cult of personality, as did Roosevelt and Reagan. But, I doubt that if any other candidate had won, his supporters would not complain about his popularity. So, talk about media overexposure; complain if he demands that school children praise him instead of God; rant about his policies, his liberalism; call him a communist. Maybe even compare him to Stalin, or Churchill or even Roosevelt. Be inventive.

But, as I said before, and I'll say again no matter how many times my intelligence is questioned, that anyone who makes such a comparison doesn't know much about Hitler. Even when I was a radical in the 60s, it was ridiculous for anyone to compare Nixon/Agnew to Hitler/Himmler. Personally, though, I think it's a big joke to Europeans of my generation or earlier. Yeah, yeah, I know they don't count. I'm just saying.

Anyway, I'm worried about the real Nazis in the US. Again, ymmv.

[zenshiite]

^Well said, Steve.

I'd also be a worried about alot of these anti-Obama groups that show signs of proto-fascism.

[Darth Rock&Roll]

the anti-obama groups that do the Hitler comparison are fringe anyway.

You're always gonna have some crazies on the fringe who would never admit to anything about their actual prejudices that are being applied to their "reasons" for hating Obama.

Obama ain't the greatest president. He hasn't done anything truly great yet, except he had the courage to follow one of the worst more damaging presidents the US has ever seen.
Taking up the cause of American after a cluster fuck admin like the Bush admin is courageous all in itself. lol