Steve James wrote:It's ironic for Obama because he'll certainly be condemned for his assertions of American and/or Christian belief. So, if he talks about 'family values', it'll be called a political ploy. If he went to church regularly, people --who haven't gone to church in years-- will ask how he could have gone to the one he did.
MikeC wrote:
I think Oblama will be 'condemned' for attending a Church with such a racist, America-hating bigot such as Rev. Wright, rather than his specific religious beliefs. And then even doubly criticized when he tosses out Wright when it's no longer politically feasible to be associated with the guy anymore.
Mike
steelincotton wrote:MikeC wrote:
I think Oblama will be 'condemned' for attending a Church with such a racist, America-hating bigot such as Rev. Wright, rather than his specific religious beliefs. And then even doubly criticized when he tosses out Wright when it's no longer politically feasible to be associated with the guy anymore.
Mike
You mean the same way McBush practically got down on his knees and begged for Parsley and Hagee's endorsements?
And then once endorsed by them, and initially standing by them while the story broke how racist their views are, he then realized he could no longer do so because it wouldn't be politically feasible? LOL. Give me a break man.
At least the Rev Wright after personally witnessing the horrors, injustice, and tragedies of racism first hand, STILL had enough belief in our country to serve as a damn MARINE!!! Talk about a true patriot! That says a lot about his character, and at the least he served his country, and risked his own life while doing so.
As far as I'm concerned any man who puts his life in risk for his country is more than entitled to speak out against it in the face of injustice and racism specifically. In fact, it's the patriotic thing to do.
Again, if this is the entire republican game plan, and so far it appears to be the only thing they plan on "trying" to do; if it the campaign is solely about smearing Obama's good name and character, than I say "BRING IT ON!" Sound familiar? The republicans need an entire new playbook and until they wake up to that fact, I'm afraid they are about to lose 20 to 40 more seats in Congress and the presidency to boot!. Thankfully, we'll finally be able to elect some liberal-valued judges to the supreme court so we can counter-balance the right wingnut neo-cons like Scalia, that douchebag.
steelincotton wrote:No, it's more about.. .why the hell do you keep bringing up the pastor issues, when McCain did more or less the same exact thing. It's just a fact. And the reality is, it's basically a non-issue. Those who are racist and need some excuse/any excuse not to vote for Obama shall have one. Rev Wright said this , said that, blah , blah , blah - NON ISSUE!
Serving our country:
Sure McSame did, but we are not talking about McSame, I was talking about Rev Wright. Did Hagee and Parsley enlist to be Marines? No, I don't think so.
AIDS targeting black people:
Well, who knows really? Do you honestly believe AIDS came from a monkey? I'm not so sure. I do NOT trust our current government as far as I could throw them. I am extremely wary of the devious things our government can and has done in the past. I'm still not sure 9/11 wasn't an inside job to some degree or another. Just look at Iraq now. How many innocent women and children has our government KILLED now? How many more will we keep KILLING even though it's now a FACT that we are there under false pretenses???
BTW, saying "gubmint" sounds a bit racist to me; sounds like a black slur, but maybe I'm getting too nitpicky here.
Supreme Court Justices:
That's exactly right, I feel it's one of the most important issues to stand up for. Once the government call tell a woman what she can and can not do with her own body, I can only wonder what's next from these creeps in the SC. Bush's main objective for picking the creeps he has is EXACTLY because they are anti-abortion, and it fits there nutty Christian beliefs as well. Warrantless wiretapping, habeas-corpus, no more bankruptcy for people (only for corporations), gitmo, The PATRIOT ACT, ordinary people can't sue corporations anymore - and all this is because of your silly right wingnut ideology, which is the very reason why our country is going down the drain and fast. It's time for the liberals take over so we can FINALLY get something done for the people for a change. America deserves it, and we the people shall demand it this coming November.
The republicans have shown what their all about today, and it's certainly not about conservatism anymore. No sir, they are corporate bought, owned, and sold. The more money you have, the more reasons you have to be a republican today. If you are not a rich man, I simply can not find a single reason why you (or any other hard working American) should want to vote republican (well, ignorance is one of the reasons - it's been proven time and time again that the highly "ill-informed" vote against their own interests every single election). Today, the Republican party means rich peoples party. Let's just rename it RPP, and do away with all the phoney false pretenses of being "conservatives."
MikeC wrote:steelincotton wrote:No, it's more about.. .why the hell do you keep bringing up the pastor issues, when McCain did more or less the same exact thing. It's just a fact. And the reality is, it's basically a non-issue. Those who are racist and need some excuse/any excuse not to vote for Obama shall have one. Rev Wright said this , said that, blah , blah , blah - NON ISSUE!
Sure it is. Do you want to elect some guy who's been hanging around Rev. Wright for 20 years plus, pumping his fist in the air and shouting hate towards to the white man? Talk about dividing the country up...Serving our country:
Sure McSame did, but we are not talking about McSame, I was talking about Rev Wright. Did Hagee and Parsley enlist to be Marines? No, I don't think so.
Well, if you can jump back and forth between Oblama and McCain in your posts then so can the rest of us buddy..AIDS targeting black people:
Well, who knows really? Do you honestly believe AIDS came from a monkey? I'm not so sure. I do NOT trust our current government as far as I could throw them. I am extremely wary of the devious things our government can and has done in the past. I'm still not sure 9/11 wasn't an inside job to some degree or another. Just look at Iraq now. How many innocent women and children has our government KILLED now? How many more will we keep KILLING even though it's now a FACT that we are there under false pretenses???
More conspiracy theory..BTW, saying "gubmint" sounds a bit racist to me; sounds like a black slur, but maybe I'm getting too nitpicky here.
You read WAYYY too much into things sometimes Derek.Supreme Court Justices:
That's exactly right, I feel it's one of the most important issues to stand up for. Once the government call tell a woman what she can and can not do with her own body, I can only wonder what's next from these creeps in the SC. Bush's main objective for picking the creeps he has is EXACTLY because they are anti-abortion, and it fits there nutty Christian beliefs as well. Warrantless wiretapping, habeas-corpus, no more bankruptcy for people (only for corporations), gitmo, The PATRIOT ACT, ordinary people can't sue corporations anymore - and all this is because of your silly right wingnut ideology, which is the very reason why our country is going down the drain and fast. It's time for the liberals take over so we can FINALLY get something done for the people for a change. America deserves it, and we the people shall demand it this coming November.
Well hell, I guess we just blew right past talking Obama and McCain and you went right into auto-pilot on your liberal, hate-freek tirade.The republicans have shown what their all about today, and it's certainly not about conservatism anymore. No sir, they are corporate bought, owned, and sold. The more money you have, the more reasons you have to be a republican today. If you are not a rich man, I simply can not find a single reason why you (or any other hard working American) should want to vote republican (well, ignorance is one of the reasons - it's been proven time and time again that the highly "ill-informed" vote against their own interests every single election). Today, the Republican party means rich peoples party. Let's just rename it RPP, and do away with all the phoney false pretenses of being "conservatives."
And what category do the limousine liberals like Clinton, Kerry and Kennedy fall under? Bet they've never pulled any strings for their high-powered friends.
Nah never.
steelincotton wrote:I'm not into Christianity at all. In fact, I think it's total hogwash. With that said, it never made sense to me how the republicans cornered the market on faith, religion, and family values. Especially, since so many of elected republican officials/politicians have been caught stealing money, cheating on their wives, renting hookers, having gay relations, hanging out in men's rooms, and diddling young boys! How on earth do they claim to be the party of family values?
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