No Gays in Heaven

[Michael]

I'd be more inclined to think of a more estoric communing of souls

There's a scene like this in Zardoz where everyone's sitting around a table, in "level 2 meditation" I think they called it. Totally creepy.

[Methods]

Chris you have some very good posts here - like your thoughts without even going into mine and my beliefs - I almost agree with everything...

As for those that hate on the gay's - fuck you!
For the shallow minded hatred that Christianity breads on this subject, dont you think that maybe gays are just as natural as everything else and just maybe a test to your humanity and compassion.

[qiphlow]

There was "tohu" and "bohu", and unformed pair of nothingnesses.

and then there's chumba and wumba - but that religion got knocked down

but it did get up again. you'll never keep that one down.

[DeusTrismegistus]

Well, dualism is a man made construct, There is no "opposite" to water, fire, earth or air, metal or stone --even if in some culttures and languages these things are given genders. Whether "opposites" are considered complements (like yin and yang) that exist in all objects/ideas or whether they are diametric opposites is purely cultural.

Actually the four elements of traditional western design are combination of two different diametrically opposed states. Wet and dry and cold and hot. Fire- hot and dry, air- hot and wet, water- cold and wet, and earth- cold and dry.

[Interloper]

I'd be more inclined to think of a more estoric communing of souls

There's a scene like this in Zardoz where everyone's sitting around a table, in "level 2 meditation" I think they called it. Totally creepy.

I was thinking more about the old Star Trek episode where an Earth astronaut has been kept on a planet for 200 years by a formless entity that "communes" with him by sort of hovering onto him and blending with his being. Except that the formless entity turns out to be a -girl- formless entity. The writers still weren't clear on the Earth mammalian reproductive biology and physiology, nevermind chromosomes or inter-genus communing.

[bailewen]

Well, dualism is a man made construct, There is no "opposite" to water, fire, earth or air, metal or stone --even if in some culttures and languages these things are given genders. Whether "opposites" are considered complements (like yin and yang) that exist in all objects/ideas or whether they are diametric opposites is purely cultural.

Not so sure about that. Aside from Deus's handy critique pointing out how even abstract elements have been traditionally cataloged, I was thinking somewhat along the lines of Martin Buber's "I and Thou". The ulimiate ...or perhaps, original, duality that we become aware not long after being born is simply "me" and "not me". I don't think this is a cultural construct.

[Steve James]

Yep, like I said, a construct. Besides, the issue was gender, no? Is "hot" (ignoring the fact that it is totally relative) male or female? let alone fire. Or why, for example is it "el agua" and "el fuego" (i.e. both gendered as male (iinm??) if sex difference implies opposition?

[Darthwing Teorist]

Man, I miss this forum so much.

[yusuf]

I once asked a Jesuit mystic if the big kahuna has the inclination to sit around wondering what the psychotic apes on this planet do to each other in the privacy of their own bedroom .. he said 'there is only one being, if you dissolve in the source, all of the time, in every action'

[zenshiite]

^Very Sufic.

[yusuf]

^Very Sufic.

yup, he could have walked in any mystical tradition ...

[zenshiite]

Just goes to show, when you really get deep in any tradition... the similarities become much more than the differences. Leads me to believe there's something to the Perennial Philosophy of Guenon and Shuon.

[Bär]

No Gays? Who's going to decorate and sell me imported cheeses then?

[Michael]

That's going to be automated as part of your Jetson's Heaven Reality TM

[Darth Rock&Roll]

monks can get along.
clergy will argue til the universe ends.

seek and you shall be happy in your seeking.
find, and you will be disappointed that your seeking is over.