by taijiplayer on Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:49 pm
I've been heavily having discussions about the ordinations of Women in Churches. Many churches are against it and many are for it. When I came across Confucius in the discussions, I thought it was so odd to read and really disappointed in Martian Luther King and what he said about Women. Here what Confucius said:
"One hundred women are not worth a single
testicle."
Confucius (551-479 BCE)
"The five worst infirmities that afflict the
female are indocility, discontent, slander,
jealousy, and silliness... Such is the stupidity
of woman's character, that it is incumbent
upon her, in every particular, to distrust herself
and to obey her husband."
The Confucian Marriage Manual
Are the sayings abover true or did somebody make it up? I'm going to post the rest of the list of famous sayings about women and please don't reply this message as a whole. Please cut out the list below since it's long.
Thanks
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"Whoever teaches his daughter the Torah is like one who teaches her obscenity. Rather should the words of the Torah be burned than entrusted to a woman."
Ancient Rabbi
"It is a shame for a woman to let her voice be heard
among men."
Ancient Rabbi
"The woman is in all things inferior to the man. Let
her be accordingly submissive."
Josephus - Historian
"All females, both animal and human, are inferior
to males. We should look upon the female as a
deformity in nature."
Aristotle - Philosopher
"Woman is defective and misbegotten. For
the active power in the male seed produces
a perfect male likeness. A female comes from a
defect in the male seed or from some indisposition
such as the south wind being too moist."
Thomas Aquinas - Church father
"God's sentence hangs over the female sex,
and His punishment weighs down upon you.
You are the devil's gateway. You first violated
the forbidden tree and broke God's law. You
shattered God's image in man, and because
you merited death, you had to die."
Tertullian - Church Father
"It brings man shame even to reflect on
woman's nature. By no means shall
women exhibit any part of their person
lest men become excited and look and fall."
Clement - Church Father
"It is part of her punishment and a part
from which even God's mercy will
not exempt her. Subjection to the will of her
husband is part of her curse."
Clement - Church Father
"Take women from their housewifery and they
are good for nothing."
Martin Luther
"Women have narrow shoulders and broad hips
to sit upon, so they ought to stay home,
keep the house, bear and raise children. The
woman differs from the man; she is weaker in
body, in honor, in intellect and in dignity."
Martin Luther
"If a woman take upon her any office which
God assigned to man, she shall not escape being
cursed. Women are weak, they are frail, they are
impatient and feeble and foolish. They are
inconstant. They are changeable, they are cruel.
They lack spirit and counsel. Woman in her
greatest perfection was made to serve and
only obey men."
John Knox
"One hundred women are not worth a single
testicle."
Confucius (551-479 BCE)
"The five worst infirmities that afflict the
female are indocility, discontent, slander,
jealousy, and silliness... Such is the stupidity
of woman's character, that it is incumbent
upon her, in every particular, to distrust herself
and to obey her husband."
The Confucian Marriage Manual
"A proper wife should be as obedient as a slave."
and "The female is a female by virtue of a certain
lack of qualities - a natural defectiveness."
Aristotle (384-322 BCE)
"In childhood a woman must be subject to her father;
in youth to her husband; when her husband is dead,
to her sons. A woman must never be free of subjugation."
The Hindu Code of Manu (c. 100 CE)
"Among all savage beasts, none is found so harmful as woman."
St. John Chrysostom (345-407 CE)
"Men are superior to women."
The Koran (c. 650)
"Any woman who acts in such a way that she cannot
give birth to as many children as she is capable of,
makes herself guilty of that many murders."
St. Augustine (354-430 CE)
"Do you know that each of your women is an Eve?
The sentence of God - on this sex of yours - lives
in this age; the guilt must necessarily live, too. You
are the gate of Hell, you are the temptress of the
orbidden tree; you are the first deserter of the
divine law."
Tertullian in 22 CE
"Woman in her greatest perfection was made to
serve and obey man, not rule and command him."
John Knox (1505-1572)
"The souls of women are so small that some
believe they've none at all."
Samuel Butler (1612-1680)
"What a misfortune to be a woman! And yet,
the worst misfortune is not to understand
what a misfortune it is".
Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
"It seems to me that nearly every woman I know
wants a man who knows how to love with authority.
Women are simple souls who like simple things, and
one of the simplest is one of the simplest to give...
Our family Airedale will come clear across the yard
for one pat on the head. The average wife is like that.
She will come across town, across the house, across
to your point of view, and across almost anything to
give you her love if you offer her yours with some
honest approval."
Episcopal Bishop James Pike in a letter to his son (1968)
"Let us set our women folk on the road to goodness
by teaching them to display submissiveness." "Every
woman should be overwhelmed with shame at the
thought that she is a woman."
St. Clement of Alexandria in 96 CE
In the year 584 CE, in Lyons, France, forty-three
Catholic bishops and twenty men representing other
bishops, held a most peculiar debate: "Are Women
Human?" After many lengthy arguments, a vote was
taken. The results were: thirty-two, yes; thirty-one,
no. Women were declared human by one vote!
Council of Macon
"Blessed art thou, O Lord our God and King of the
Universe, that thou didst not create me a woman."
Daily prayer, still in use, of the orthodox Jewish male
"Woman should remain at home, sit still, keep house,
and bear and bring up children." and "If a woman
grows weary and, at last, dies from child bearing,
it matters not. Let her die from bearing; she is
there to do it."
Martin Luther (1483-1546)
Need more be said about the male chauvinism of antiquity? It's a shame that it still prevails - in the Church - of all places.
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See this quotes by prominent early church fathers, councils, and Saints:
Tertullian, "On Baptism" 17, c. 200 AD:
"The boldness of that woman who took on herself the right to
teach is evidently not going to give her the right to baptize as
well...."
Tertullian, "On Veiling virgins" 9.1. c. 206 AD:
"It is not allowed to a woman to speak in the church nor to
teach, baptize, offer, or claim for herself any function proper
to a man, and least of all the office of priest."
St. Epiphanius, "Against Heresies" 79 3-4: (374-77 AD):
"We come to the New Testament. If women were ordained to be
priests for God, or to do anything canonical in the church, it
should rather have been given to Mary in the New Testament....
But it was decided differently. She was not even entrusted with
baptizing. [after mentioning successions of apostles and
priests] but nowhere was a woman established among them. There
were four daughters of the evangelist Philip, who were
prophetesses, but not priests. ....Although there is an order of
deaconesses in the Church, yet they are not appointed to
function as priests or for any administration of this kind, but
so that provision may be made for the propriety of the female
sex...." [at baptism etc.] Whence comes the recent myth? Whence
comes the pride of women, or rather, the woman's insanity?
St. Augustine, "On heresies" 27: (c.428 AD):
"The Pepuzians or Quintillians are named from a certain place,
which Epiphanius says was a deserted city. They think it is a
divine thing, and call it Jerusalem. They give such principality
to women that they even honor them with priesthood."
Council of Laodicea (J. Harduin, "Acta Conciliorum," Paris 1715 AD, I. 783-
84. Greek text. He dates the Council at c. 372 AD):
"Those who are called presbyteresses or presidentesses, should
not be established - [the word used is "kathistemi" - could also
be translated as ordained] in the church."
Council of Nimes, Canon 2 CCL 148. p. 50 lines 14-19 c. 394 or 396 AD:
"There is a report that women seem to have been, we know not in
what place, admitted to the levitical ministry, contrary to
apostolic discipline,and unknown until today ....an ordination
of this sort must be annulled,and care taken that no one for the
future be so bold."
Additionally see these scriptures:
1 Cor.14:34:
"The women must be silent in the churches. For it not permitted
to them to speak, but to be subject, as the law says."
1 Timothy 2:11-12:
"A woman must learn in silence, in all submission. I do not
permit a women to teach or to dominate over a man, but to be in
silence."