all terrorists are muslims.. well actually not

[Michael]

Where's the column for "Operation Gladio and other state-sponsored groups", 'cause that would be about 95%. Do people really believe the idiots who are paraded around on TV are the guys who plan and equip complicated attacks without getting caught by the intelligence agencies, who enjoy nearly unlimited funding and unlimited access to information? Wake up! It's the intelligence agencies who plan and equip almost all the attacks, and they've been caught red-handed time and time again. Operation Gladio was outed by an Italian head of state after just one event where they murdered over 80 men, women, and children in one of their "drills". The vast majority of all so-called terrorism is done by the state for the purpose of keeping society in a mindset of fear so people are always on the defensive and more compliant to social planning while begging the government to protect them.

Other prominent "terrorism" that has been proven to have been committed by the state:
- 1933 Reichstag fire in Berlin
- 1945-1985 Operation Gladio
- 1953 Operation Ajax, US & UK intelligence and paramilitary forces overthrew the pro-West, anti-Communist, democratically elected leader of Iran, Mossadeq
- 1962 Operation Northwoods, a US military plan to start a war with Cuba (insert name of alternate country here) by hijacking US passenger jets, substituting them with military, remote controlled jets of the same type, and blowing them up mid-air, while simultaneously exploding bombs along the US eastern seaboard from Miami to NYC, killing thousands if successful. Approved and submitted by Joint Chief of Staff Lemnitzer to Sec. Defense McNamara, who approved and submitted it to JFK, who canceled it. JFK also issued orders for the reduction of troops in Vietnam, orders which were canceled by LBJ the weekend after JFK's assasination. It is believed that LBJ also reinstated Northwoods and used it as part of a plan that resulted in the Israeli attack and near sinking of the USS Liberty in June 1967, killing 34 US seamen.
- 1993 Waco massacre as pre-emptive strike cum public relations event against militia/terrorists carried out by BATF
- 1993 World Trade center bombing planned, equipped, and supervised by FBI who used an Egyptian intelligence agent to recruit the "terrorists" as a drill, but gave them real bombs. He recorded the conversations with FBI and it was reported in the NY Times.
- 1995 Oklahoma City bombing carried out by the BATF and FBI
- Sept 11, 2001 New York and DC attacks partly orchestrated by Dick Cheney who had called for such attacks one year prior in his PNAC white papers, believing them necessary to the overall strength of the US. It goes something like this, "We have to attack ourselves and blame it on the Muslims in order to have the political support to go into Central Asia and get the oil needed to continue our way of life, the nature of which will be completely changed, all our freedoms withheld until future notice, all based on the false pretense of security needed to protect us from the enemies we invented." Got it?
- 2004 Madrid train bombings
- 7/7 2005 bombings in London
- The idiot shoe bomber Richard Reid, too stupid to go into the bathroom to detonate his "bomb."
- The idiot pajama bomber, too stupid to go into the bathroom to detonate his "bomb."

[Interloper]

Other prominent "terrorism" that has been proven to have been committed by the state:
- 1953 Operation Ajax, US & UK intelligence and paramilitary forces overthrew the pro-West, anti-Communist, democratically elected leader of Iran, Mossadeq
- 1962 Operation Northwoods, a US military plan to start a war with Cuba (insert name of alternate country here) by hijacking US passenger jets, substituting them with military, remote controlled jets of the same type, and blowing them up mid-air, while simultaneously exploding bombs along the US eastern seaboard from Miami to NYC, killing thousands if successful. Approved and submitted by Joint Chief of Staff Lemnitzer to Sec. Defense McNamara, who approved and submitted it to JFK, who canceled it. JFK also issued orders for the reduction of troops in Vietnam, orders which were canceled by LBJ the weekend after JFK's assasination. It is believed that LBJ also reinstated Northwoods and used it as part of a plan that resulted in the Israeli attack and near sinking of the USS Liberty in June 1967, killing 34 US seamen.
- 1993 Waco massacre as pre-emptive strike cum public relations event against militia/terrorists carried out by BATF
- 1993 World Trade center bombing planned, equipped, and supervised by FBI who used an Egyptian intelligence agent to recruit the "terrorists" as a drill, but gave them real bombs. He recorded the conversations with FBI and it was reported in the NY Times.
- 1995 Oklahoma City bombing carried out by the BATF and FBI
- Sept 11, 2001 New York and DC attacks partly orchestrated by Dick Cheney who had called for such attacks one year prior in his PNAC white papers, believing them necessary to the overall strength of the US. It goes something like this, "We have to attack ourselves and blame it on the Muslims in order to have the political support to go into Central Asia and get the oil needed to continue our way of life, the nature of which will be completely changed, all our freedoms withheld until future notice, all based on the false pretense of security needed to protect us from the enemies we invented." Got it?

All this stuff was proven?

[Darth Rock&Roll]

No.

Many of those are erroneous embellishments of half truths no doubt gleaned from tinfoil hat sites.
If not outright lies and paranoid rants.

[yeniseri]

Now I understand!
The Basques of Euskadi are Muslims!

[Steve James]

In terms of the argument (about the percentage of Muslim terrorists), the question is not begged. In fact, the question hasn't been asked ...(though the answer wouldn't be accepted ... which is plain by the fact it was being asked). If Interpol is correct, then (at least in the EU) most terrorists are ... Europeans. As to the meaning of Left wing, though; in Europe, ime, it's a bit more specific because there are actually socialist parties in elections. That's essentially what Left Wing means there: i.e., socialist. Anarchists are sometimes considered left-wing, though they are by no means in the middle.

But, you raise a pertinent question: "Why do people commit terrorist acts at all?" That might develop into a questions that compared the motives of IRA bombers to those of Muslim bombers to Basque separatists to Corsican separatists to those of Quebec separatists or the Irgun. Now, afaik, each one of those has its own rationale and thinks it justified. And, ya know what, if you come to a general answer about bombing people, you might come to the conclusion that they're all .... or that some are ... or that none are.

[Michael]

All this stuff was proven?

- 1953 Operation Ajax
- 1962 Operation Northwoods
These two are declassified, they are not in dispute. What is in dispute regarding Northwoods is that it is alleged LBJ went operational with Northwoods false flag plans in a different form in collusion with Israel to blame the sinking of the USS Liberty on Egypt and drop an A-bomb on them in "retalliation". Search the forum for "USS Liberty" and read my other posts and links to three documentaries on this. Regardless, the NSA declassified enough transcripts of radio intercepts from the day the USS Liberty was attacked to prove what everyone already knew: the Israeli's knew they were attacking a US ship in international water and had made extensive preparations by painting over their marking on their jets, preparing torpedo boats and helicopters, etc. It wasn't spontaneous. LBJ's orders to let the Liberty sink, as well as the alleged arming of an A-4 with a nuke for Cairo that was recalled when the Liberty didn't sink, thus preventing the false cover story that Egypt did it, lead me to the conclusion that the Israeli attack on the Liberty was a false flag attack by LBJ in collusion with Israel. I think the proof is there and any independent investigation would have revealed it.

- 1964 Gulf of Tonkin, the event that gave LBJ the excuse to escalate the Vietnam War, was a total fabrication. The alleged attacks by the North Vietnamese simply never happened. Recordings of LBJ and McNamara released in the past couple of years finally prove it, although many knew it all along.

- 1993 Waco, any cursory examination of the admitted facts proves this was a staged attack by the BATF and FBI on law-abiding US citizens. For those who have only paid attention to the mainstream media parroting of FBI lies, just take a closer look at documentaries like WACO: Rules of Engagement. The FLIR footage of the final day of the massacre shows FBI and US Govt/military shooting the Branch Dividians as they ran from their home, which had been set ablaze by the FBI tanks. Janet Reno was conveniently absent on the day of the attack, a ploy that was repeated on 9-11. The overhead video footage using FLIR does not lie and is very clear. Watch it.

- 1993 WTC bombing was fully an FBI operation. Their roper, Emad Salem, was tasked with recruiting the "terrorists" and then providing them with a bomb. The terrorists were too F&%$ing stoopid to put the bomb-truck in the right place. When Salem realized the FBI wanted to give the "terrorists" a real bomb, he began secretly recording his meetings with FBI officials. This has been reported in the mainstream media.

- 1995 Oklahoma City, the evidence was there at the beginning that the BATF blew up the building, and it was reported from the beginning from local cops and honest FBI agents, some of whom were murdered to silence them, as well as the grand jury foreman who was gathering evidence against the BATF. The largest manhunt in US history was conducted to find a "suspect" called John Doe and when an ex-con, who was unrelated to the case but unfortunate enough to be matching the description was tortured to death by the FBI, that man's brother tirelessly pursued a wrongful death lawsuit against the gov't revealing many facts pointing to the US gov't as the perpetrator of the explosion that killed almost 130 men, women, and children in OKC. McVeigh was just a patsy. See Alex Jones' 1997 documentary, "America: Destroyed by Design".

- 9/11: it is definitely proven that not a single aspect of the US gov't version of the story holds up to any scrutiny whatsoever. When you consider who is able to get NORAD to stand down and the testimony of Transportation Sec. Minetta (I have posted this link many times of his testimony) that Cheney apparently ordered the Pentagon to allow the attacks that day, then it is proven that criminal elements with the US Gov't were responsible, although because the investigation was a fraud (6 of the 10 commissioners and the attorney to the commission have publicly stated the "investigation" was not illegitimate from the beginning), no one can show evidence as to how every part of the attacks were carried out. Regardless of this, valid conclusions can be drawn of who was responsible, and it certainly wasn't 19 Muslims with box cutters, especially since five of them are still alive and there's no evidence that any of them were on the planes. See the films "Loose Change: Final Cut", "Zero", and "Fabled Enemies".