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Wild Fight On Transit Bus Caught On Tape
SAN FRANCISCO (CBS) ―

The fight happened just before 3 p.m. Monday on Oakland's NL Bus line. The shoeshine statement started an argument that went back and forth for several minutes.

An Oakland college student who shot video of a wild fight on an AC Transit bus said the altercation started because of a remark about shoe shining.

"The white guy was asking the black guy for a shoeshine," said Iyanna Washington who shot the video with a small camera. "And I guess the black guy took it as a racist comment, like, 'Why's a black guy have to spit shine your shoes?'"

The fight happened just before 3 p.m. Monday on Oakland's NL Bus line. The shoeshine statement started an argument that went back and forth for several minutes.

On the video that Washington recorded, the bearded man eventually walked away up to the front of the bus. But the men continued to trade insults. The younger guy threw the first punch.

"I guess he hit him across the face once," Washington said. "And then the white guy stands up and lets loose."

The unidentified older man, who represented himself as 67 years old, punched the younger man several times.

The younger man's nose was broken, said AC Transit spokesman Clarence Johnson.

The older man exited the bus, but then returned within a few minutes, Washington said. Washington picked up her cell phone this time to record video as the man started screaming and kicking a newspaper stand.

Washington said the bearded man eventually surrendered.

"When the police get there maybe 10 minutes later he turns around and was like, 'All right, let's go' and held out his arms," Washington said.

The AC transit video is one of several incidents caught on camera on public transportation recently, including video of a fight between two women on San Francisco's Muni system.

In this latest fight, Johnson of AC Transit told CBS station KPIX-TV in San Francisco both men were taken to the hospital. He said the bearded man was off his meds and is now back on them.

"We hate for this sort of thing to happen," Johnson said. "Our buses transport 236,000 passengers on a daily basis and these types of things are not commonplace," he added.

In one of the YouTube clips, Washington is seen grabbing the bag belonging to the bearded man and walking it to the back of the bus while somebody exclaims, "go through that."

Washington told KPIX-TV she held the bag up to the camera, but did not steal it.

"Why would I steal the guy's bag?" she asked. "I picked the bag up, I placed it on the seat and that was the end of that. When I got off the bus the bag was still on the bus."

Washington admits she cheered on the younger man during the fight, as did several other people around her. She said ever since she posted the clip on YouTube, she has received emails and comments on her YouTube account; some of which used the n-word.

One web site even claimed to post her personal information, including an address that is not hers.

"A 'hate criminal' they are calling me," Washington said. "It feels terrible. It's not a good feeling at all. It sucks."

Bill wrote:From what I understand, on the Oakland buses, when someone has there feet out in the row and they are in your way you say , "What, you want me to shine your shoes?!?"