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gzregorz wrote:Whatever happened to the monkey guy who got challenged by the bjj guy from bullshido and lost?
Question being do people lose students when they lose a match?
inner_achievement wrote:neijia_boxer wrote:The best bagua person will walk the circle more times than the other person. Lets start a Guinness book or worlds record! Dave..John....start walking.
Man. I just started really searching the forums and I dont want to dig up the past, but I have to say.... I LOVE THIS DRAMA BETWEEN YANG GUO TAI"S STUDENTS!!! So good! I just grab some popcorn and a 45 oz diet coke and enjoy.
I only met Yang three or four times but I sort of think everyone should get together and show their forms, walk the circle and then spar. That way those with something other then quotes from a book or their teacher will be evident. As far as who trained the longest bla bla bla.. Just because you go to high school for 15 years doesn't make you the best. Anyways I've watched videos and seen some of Yang's students do their stuff and thus have my own opinions. To all though I guess its about being humble, training hard and living with honor. Just like Tom Cruise in the "Last Samurai", or was that "Far and Away"? Cant quite remember.
I've stayed out of this but..lianhuan (John) the definition in a dictionary and the character itself may not have had the indepth meaning that Yang Sifu intended. That is what he meant by "similar but not same."
How you say the word and the accent is the reason Yang Sifu (Shirfu) used "Ji'er" the common usage is the same as Jin in most martial discussions.
Granted Yang Sifu goes into way more depth than any book/video/teacher I've ever met or even heard of about this subject, mostly because he was at his school for so long and knows so much.
Also, some of the comments on Youshen Lianhuan Zhang aren't correct. That was the name of the school when it reopened, it has meaning for the way in which bagua is taught at that school. But most people latched on to it and used it for discussions about bagua in general. Ironically it's similar to this discussion where a simple thing like "jin" is confused.
A piece of advice...Baguazhang has to be practiced to understand...no discussion however long...no notes however detailed...nothing can replace continuous practice, THEN discussion about experiences that come from the practice...that is what allows true understanding and learning from a master to blossom. In the 8 continuous years I was with Yang Sifu you came maybe a dozen times and when you did Yang Sifu had me show you things...prior to that meeks should you what to do in class. Maybe now that Yang is in China...clarify with the students who learned from Yang Sifu longer than you rather than disagree with people who have a more in depth experience with Yang Sifu, what he thought, and baguazhang in general.
With regards to your understanding of the terms, I guess we'll just have to disagree as well. You can read my post. I swear by it as true.
With regards to training with YGT, I suggest you don't be so quick to state your opinions about superior knowledge. I started with YGT a few years before you even showed up on the scene and after a fall out with Dave chose to see YGT on my own schedule - and only a few times with you guys. When I did show up with your group I found that there were always a few people who were full enough of themselves to think they had to explain to me what YGT was talking about - I would always listen because after all maybe they had learned something more correctly than me - unfortunately, with a few exceptions, I never experienced that to be the case. So don't be so quick to jump to the conclusion that just because you told me something that you taught me something. Or that since I wasn't training at the same time as you that I wasn't training at all. It's ridiculous - in fact for a year I was training 3 times a week with YGT and I almost never saw any of you. But I wouldn't be so silly as to say that means you guys weren't training - other people on other hand are that silly I guess.
A piece of advice back to you... it's important for one not to be so presumptuous about other peoples business... until you have at least talked to them first. I don't remember ever talking to you about my training - or about pretty much anything for that matter. Certainly nothing about when I train, about what I trained, about what my thoughts were... nothing. What makes you think you know anything about me at all? You don't and you shouldn't be so quick to suggest that you do.
And by the way since you force me to air dirty laundry on the internet, Meeks never taught me anything as you claim. In fact when he tried once I called his BS and sent him on his way. Which then became the problem of Dave and his buddies talking behind my back. Yang Shrfu said to ignore it so I did - hence the training on different schedules. Were you there when that happened - No! Have you ever talked to me about it -No! But do you have an opinion about it that you are willing to express as fact - I'm sure.
But you are full of opinion and so be it. But it is only opinion and I think you would do yourself a great favor to examine things more deeply and check your facts more clearly before you speak.
You've started a big pissing match without even bothering to check your facts in person - and it wouldn't have been that hard to do if you really cared about the truth either. So now what? Do you want to continue slurring my good name in public without basis in fact? Do you want to see where that will lead?
StanTheMan wrote: I didnt agree either with what internalenthusiast said about your old group (and I'm not the only one to see he refuses to name his connections)
StanTheMan wrote:Don't forget 'mike'... You jumped in his shit too. Only as it turned out it wasnt the other classmate you thought it was.
Oh, and kevin_wallbridge. You have a hate on for him too, because he had a slightly different opinion that went in line with the rest of the group. According to him you almost came to blows because he had a different opinion about whether internal arts were a complete waste of time (you being the externalist)...
By the sounds of things you are quick to snap at people then later act like you're very mature and everyone else is so childish. I havent met any of you but from the sidelines and reading how you interact, react, then respond, i can only guess you're dealing with a lot of anger issues in your life and are trying to make the best of things. I hope it all works out for you. The guys on ef are really cool people, and meeks seems to be a fairly straight shooter in how he deals with people. I didnt agree either with what internalenthusiast said about your old group (and I'm not the only one to see he refuses to name his connections) but meeks seems to just be one of the few that are open enough to politely address people about stuff.
Anyways, at the end of the day you're probably a really cool guy, and I support you in your martial endevours.
BTW, I didn't "make assertions" about your emotions, I asked questions. The assertions I have made have been about my own experiences. The nature of the "attacks" on you may actually have been less severe than your reactions. If you think you are always respectful and considerate of your contemporaries... ok, but my experience is still different. We all build the reputations that we build for reasons, not always fair reasons either. One still can ask why without it being a underhanded and scurrilous attack. Neither Dave nor I are Buddhas, yet I've never seen him just dis someone out of hand. I am certainly able to use acid in my speech and assessments of people, and its not always fair. Yet I still have the first hand experience of you being cutting, snide and dismissive to people you do not know. I experienced your negative appraisal before you knew the slightest thing about me, while you were slagging my teacher at the same time (who you now claim as such an important influence on your website).
I'm not going to kiss your ass, but you have chance to come back with something less vitriolic. Are you up to it?
internalenthusiast wrote:StanTheMan wrote: I didnt agree either with what internalenthusiast said about your old group (and I'm not the only one to see he refuses to name his connections)
i don't believe i commented on this subject...do you have me confused with someone else?
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