ma yueh liang, li kong jing?

[H2O_Dragon]

no empty force there, just good basic push hands done at an extremely high level, IMO.

[TaoJoannes]

Looks like exploitation of dead angles, momentum, and anatomical constraints, to me.

Of course, that can feel like "empty" force. But it's just a matter of physics.

[velalavela]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHQv6fLpIoI&feature=related


my friend experienced this for himself. to me, it looks like the person reacts differently in this vid than other li kong jing videos. personally i am still skeptical of it, but have accounts from people i trust about it. any thoughts?

I can't figure this post out.

I'm not sure why Hopgarsansau thinks this is Li Kong Jing? There is plenty of contact through the whole pushhands`session.

To me it is great 'push hands'. Ma Yueh Liang' was considered one of the 100 top martial artist from the 20th Century in China. You can see why in this video.

He's 90 years old here but he can do what he wants with the 30 something year old Dr Yang.

Not sure why it ended up in 'been there done that' either?

Cheers

[Bär]

Not sure why it ended up in 'been there done that' either?

All empty force discussions are inherently been there, done that. The BDTD forum isn't only for threads that get out of hand, but also just a place to put threads that just don't have much of a point and have been discussed hundreds of times in whatever iteration of EF.

[Darth Rock&Roll]

not to mention, empty force is just a bunch of shit used to prop up more shit on the huge steaming pile of shitty shit shit passed off as martial arts.


shitty shit shit is so btdt anyway.

[qiphlow]

speaking of shit...

[velalavela]

The idea of pushing/hitting with out touching an oponent is not something I buy into.

The thing about this thread that suprised me is why people were not more interested in the actual 'push hands' on display.

Although the vid has been up on Youtube for quite a while so perhaps it'd been seen by most and was BTDT already.

[Darth Rock&Roll]

speaking of shit...

dude, that is old news. just a big hit in america now? we've been decorating our dogshit in toronto for some time now.

thanks to the sprinkle brigade!

http://sprinklebrigade.com/gallery-main.html

[Michael]

And this is at least the third Ma Yueh Liang li kong jin thread I can remember in the past year. But having the push hands "victim" LOL available for comment does help shed light on the video. I hope Mr. Yan will tell us more.

[Darth Rock&Roll]

Or post some pics of decorated poo.

[Nick C]

As a student of Dr Yans, I have had many discussions with him over pushing hands with Master Ma. He has emphasised on many occasions that Master Ma himself stated that there is no "magic" to push hands / tai chi. He did not believe in li kong jing. That does not mean he didnt beleive in Chi, or using this internally to generate force, healing etc, but that it can not be used to push people without touching etc.

Unfortunately I did not have the opportunity to push hands with Master Ma. It was known however that Master Ma did at almost every demonstration invite members of the public to push hands as well. He was an amazing practitioner of Tai Chi, and although he is no longer with us, I feel privilaged to be learning from one of his Disciples.

[BonesCom]

So here's a question: Has anybody out there been asked to take part in a demonstration of their teachers push hands and been asked to over-emphasise their reactions (ie jumping round etc...)?

A good friend of mine has

[Dmitri]

Never. Can't even imagine...

[RobP2]

So here's a question: Has anybody out there been asked to take part in a demonstration of their teachers push hands and been asked to over-emphasise their reactions (ie jumping round etc...)?

A good friend of mine has

Sort of. Well let's put it this way, it was made clear who the teacher was happier with - the guys who flew around or the guys who actually "pushed hands" with him. Got so there would be only certain people pulled out for demos after a while, whether at exhibitions or in class. There's only so much you can watch of that before it starts getting boring....

[qiphlow]

a demo is a show for the public. the public wants to be entertained.