Tom wrote:Chris Fleming wrote:[snip] none of you on EF know what you are talking about, CMA is really good, blah blah blah..." Little bits of nothing. I mean really, what do you want? People to say they are impressed with a person who doesn't use their real name on internet forums who comes off as condescending and arrogant literally at every chance when they post? Expert or no, master or no, internet or no, you are dealing with adults in a discussion so please act your age, whatever that is. I mean shit I even had people PM'ing me after our first exchange saying that you are awesome in martial arts but have the social skills of a small child. If you have the skills, then share your wisdom, not your arrogance. Time to grow up.
I doubt any of the anonymous supporters you say are PMing about his social skills have ever actually met or worked with Dan. I have. He's a gentleman with a strong sense of integrity about open teaching and hard training. He's an excellent intuitive hands-on coach with a superb eye for his training partner's movement, alignment and balance. That's how he views people who come to work with him--as training partners. I've never met anyone with as much to offer in the martial arts who takes a less hierachical view of being on the mat with others. We're all learning together, is how he looks at it. And his regular students "get" the skills, with hard, intelligent training. The skills to be gotten are impressive--he's among the two or three most competent martial artists I've ever worked with, in Europe, North America or China.
Just because you use your real name, Chris, doesn't lend your posts any more credibility or make them less arrogant. Focus on what Dan really says in his posts, not on your own irritability. I thought that anyone working with Dale Dugas or in the John Painter line would have absorbed some of their online civility, but apparently not everyone does.
If you can't maintain a civil tone and address the issue rather than the personal, please leave the forum.
Firstly, I use my name because that is my name, not to gain more credibility. I have not come on here making claims about how great I am, unlike others. I have not made any claims at all to my knowledge, unlike "Dan" (well at least there is a start) who for some reason is constantly telling everyone every chance he gets that he is in his fifties, yet can destroy groups of "twenty somethings" at will. Hmmm...considering how many fakers that have been on EF over the years, and the nature of the internet, isn't it reasonable to ask what a person's qualifications are regarding their claims? Too much to ask? Apparently...
As for the social skills issue, I probably should not have brought it up. Don't call me a lier just because you don't like what I'm saying. In any case, I don't take it back because it was a comment made FROM SOMEONE WHO DID/DOES TRAIN WITH HIM talking about while meaning well and being a reasonable person and an excellent martial artist (which I already mentioned), "Dan" has a habit of being condescending, arrogant, blunt, caustic, etc with MANY people online over the years. The point, and here's the important part, is that the common denominator is him.
Furthermore, if you want to talk about civil tones, please read your teacher's last post on this thread. Case closed, unless you have some double standards rule that I don't know about. Perhaps your teacher could be the master here and lead by example.
As for focusing on what "Dan" really is saying in his posts, I'm having a hard time with that, as in one instance, he is saying (in yet another argument, this time with John Wang if I'm not mistaken) that being able to fight is no big deal, join the club, and in other instances, he is constantly bragging, in a very general way, about how many people he has fought....and others ought to be able to talk about, as he asked me "how many people they have knocked out, how many bones they have broken" etc. So like I said before, there's not really much going on here.
Lastly, if you feel that I am arrogant simply for disagreeing with your teacher, then sorry, I cannot help you. I do understand the need to defend him, but I believe he can take care of himself.
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