the rum soaked fist: internal martial arts forum

Come on guys ... I write the fortune cookies around here. Oh oh I feel one coming on
"Fake realities are created by untouched truth"
Robin, I know what you said, when you do, you'll be able to explain to hold true to yourself.

Wanderingdragon wrote:Come on guys ... I write the fortune cookies around here. Oh oh I feel one coming on
"Fake realities are created by untouched truth"
Robin, I know what you said, when you do you'll be able to explain yourself.

I always knew that the fortune cookie, er, process resembles dumping a load.

"You will meet an interesting person today."

"That was no chicken!"

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! (long inhale...) HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh yeah....that's me all over! I'm as far-Lefty, big government socialist as they come. Oh, and you should see how red-faced mad I am right now, too. My liver qi is just boiling over!

Robinhood wrote:
Are you a liberal ?

He's gone mad.

Robinhood wrote:

Wanderingdragon wrote:He has no teacher and he didn't even know it was Yiquan until you told him. It's all google Fu.

I know what Yiquan is, I think your missing the point, those are just training methods, don't worry about them so much, but what is common in all of them, and where do they lead to in the end.

Oneday someone said, "I teach Taiji but I don't teach Taiji Chuan". Even today, I still don't understand what he was talking about. I can understand that if you develop your Taiji from your form. Later on you take drills out of that form and only train those drills. I don't know how to learn taiji without the form to start with. It's like go to school without text books. Can that even be possible?

Robinhood wrote:

johnwang wrote:

Robinhood wrote:No, Wang Xiangzhai

http://taijijourney.blogspot.com/2005/0 ... gzhai.html

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Robinhood wrote:I started MA when I was 15,

Robinhood wrote:it took me over 20 years to find my Yoda, and that was over 16 years ago.

- Wang Xiang Zhai 王薌齋 Passed away 48 years ago.
- You said, "I started MA when I was 15. It took me over 20 years to find my Yoda, and that was over 16 years ago."

How old are you?
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Yi Quan Wang Xiang Zhai (1)意拳王薌齋1885-1963

John, you really need to reading the posts, not take words here and there and turn it into something else, are you a Jahova Witness by chance ?

I did not say I learned directly from Wang, I said the internal method was from his line of practitioners.

A: Who is your Taiji teacher?
B: I learned from Yang.
A: Did you learn from Yang Jwing-Ming?
B: No, Yang Lu-Chang.
A: But Yang Lu-Chang (1799-1872) died at 1872?
B: I said my Taiji was from his line of practitioners.
A:

johnwang wrote: (snip)
I can understand that if you develop your Taiji from your form. Later on you take drills out of that form and only train those drills. I don't know how to learn taiji without the form to start with. It's like go to school without text books. Can that even be possible?

Sure, it's possible! You can start by training taiji's internal core body method, then learn how to apply it to technique (via forms -- sequences of techniques) AFTER you've developed the internal structure/power. In taiji systems that retain (and teach) an internal power component, you can learn specific things to do with your body to develop structure and power. Those exercises and drills can be practiced separately and outside of forms. Then they can be used to power the forms when the students start learning forms.

If you start with technique-sequence forms, then the students don't know how to generate power internally, and have to either walk through an "empty" form devoid of any understanding of what each movement "means," or else thtey come to rely on whole-body pivoting, "outer" hip torque, momentum and other conventionally "external" methods to try to make sense of where the power comes from. It can create a lot of bad habits that will impede future use of internal power once it is learned (if it ever is). IMO, it makes more sense that taiji be taught either as "internal power"+ technique simultaneously, or internal first, then technique. But technique first, then how to power it internally, seems ass-backward to me.

johnwang wrote:

How old are you?
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Yi Quan Wang Xiang Zhai (1)意拳王薌齋1885-1963



I did not say I learned directly from Wang, I said the internal method was from his line of practitioners.
A: Who is your Taiji teacher?
B: I learned from Yang.
A: Did you learn from Yang Jwing-Ming?
B: No, Yang Lu-Chang.
A: But Yang Lu-Chang (1799-1872) died at 1872?
B: I said my Taiji was from his line of practitioners.
A:

I don't know who you are quoting John, none lines you wrote with your A's and B's came from me.

I only said my line of standing came from Wang.

I have read stories and books by those names, and if someone here has not,IMO they should. Good reading, right along the lines of internal theroy and application.

John, the post above about Tai Chi set, the set is just application techniques, you will not get Gong from doing sets. You will just get an empty shell from sets by themselves with no other core training.

What is Gong?

This has got to be one of the funniest threads I have seen here yet
I mostly lurk, get some good ideas and often get a good laugh

Robinhood wrote:Are you a liberal ?

"When I thought I was OUT, they pulled me back in!"

There should be an Annual awards for threads and this could well be a winner.

*flashbacks to Blooming Lotus insanity*

Wanderingdragon wrote:What is Gong?

Won't get no gong with that kinda attitude Bro..

Anyway back to Bas

The principle is correct but the movement is incorrect

Robinhood wrote:

johnwang wrote:
...snip...

I don't know who you are quoting John, none l of those came from me.

I only said my line of standing came from Wang.

Waitasec!?! Your line of standing came from the guy you are quoting? So you are arguing with your own grandteacher?