Kiai master against MMA

[Leishen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRlS3fBR2k0
Here is the same clip with subtitles from bailewen.
Take a closer look of what he says and does. He speaks about attacking/catch the mind, distract the attention, about empty/kong, about xin/yi, he exhibits correct timing and lure into emptiness etc....
At the same time, confronting a teacher of this kind, with a strong neijin, shen, yi, and yes, qi, a student/opponent etc can found himself in a strange loosing situation even as a result of "just" correct timing and a strong shen among many other things of course. Not the mambo jumbo thing the poster thought though and put him as an example.
Really, do you see in this film the same thing we see from all these "ling kong jin" videos? I highly doubt...

Master Wang was a higly accomplished Taijiquan master and Daoist teacher, having achieved high level attainment in many fields of neijia/neidan. At the same time he was a very down to earth person teaching about actual combat along with true internal attainment.

You can find it entertaining, as others did, or an acting class too, if this suits you, however never forget that high level achievement can not be really measured by most of the modern day standarts since there are very few teachers if any, of that caliber alive in our times....
So someone needs to have first hand experience with that kind of teaching, so to have a correct, precise, and actuall knoweldge of what REALLY happens to him and not what it SEEMS to other people that is happening. Or else, someone else will see things from another point of view according to his level of experience and way to see things in general.

Anyway
It's to it's own I guess as everything in life.....

[windwalker]

(Not the mambo jumbo thing the poster thought though and put him as an example.
Really, do you see in this film the same thing we see from all these "ling kong jin" videos? I highly doubt.)

how do you know what any one sees in any video,,, or do you speak for every one...
what are mambo-jumbo things? all posted videos in the end are examples of what people can do and what their practices are based on...weather you or anyone else finds it useful or not is a choice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNZFtEDImL8 another great taiji master

[Leishen]

Hey windwalker

The problem is that you put this video as an example of kongjin to another user (gzregorz), when he asked you about that.
You chose master Wang's film.

how do you know what any one sees in any video,,, or do you speak for every one...

Of course I don't speak for everyone in general, however I can and will speak for my own lineage and style when there is a need, the one in the film it is, and I can tell you what it shows there, because I train this style and he was the teacher of my sifu. So you see something in this video which it is not what you think it is, if you still think that this was the answer for gzregorz' question.
It is simple.

In our family we value a lot of what we practice and was handed down to us and we are very carefull to avoid situations like this one. Don't get me wrong here, I too believe in the esoterica of the IMA, Daoism etc, and Master Wang was for sure capable of many high level or "strange" things if you like, but what you see here is not lingkongjin and he was NOT into this stuff (on the contrary), at least with the ridiculous way we see in films of this kind in our days.

And because people may find it "entertaining" or "acting", I wanted to draw that line.

At the end as I said earlier,

Or else, someone else will see things from another point of view according to his level of experience and way to see things in general.
Anyway
It's to it's own I guess as everything in life.....

Best

[windwalker]

(And because people may find it "entertaining" or "acting", I wanted to draw that line.)

I too was quite surprised that anyone would say something like that,,,master wang, was one of china's greats, I like the clip,,it has many gems and important points of practice.
my point as stated before was only that many things that seem to be unbelievable are based on many, many yrs of practice and understanding....my hope was that seeing a high level master show some high level skills, and talk about them some might find some understanding in how some things can be done......guess not...

anyway,,,,,there are many gems of knowledge, in that one clip from a great man.....

later

[Leishen]

Yes, now I can see your point.
No worries, all good.

Take care