Chris Li wrote:It seems to me that most Aikido people today, either openly or privately, actually do consider Morihei Ueshiba to have been a crackpot, and consider what he said to be mostly unintelligible garbage.
Zonker wrote:Chris Li wrote:It seems to me that most Aikido people today, either openly or privately, actually do consider Morihei Ueshiba to have been a crackpot, and consider what he said to be mostly unintelligible garbage.
I think this is because Ueshiba Morihei was from a different time and no one who started aikido after the 1950's had a point of reference from which to understand what it was he was talking about. I found the posts on your dojo's blog about "Standing on the bridge between heaven & earth" to be very interesting and offered a new perspective, to me, as to how to try and understand what Ueshiba Morihei was talking about.
Now, Nadeau sensei, he's just plain wacky. The man spoke no Japanese when he was training in Japan with Ueshiba Morihei, but considers Ueshiba to be his "spiritual mentor" based upon their long and frequent discussions on philosophy.
Dmitri wrote:wiesiek wrote:and adm. can trash such vid., if you`re aski`n me.
I would also probably issue emptycloud a warning for starting pointless BS threads that he knows will stir shit. AKA "trolling".
Chris Li wrote:WVMark wrote:Ueshiba was far from a crackpot.*** Had he been so, Admirals Takeshita or Asano wouldn't have studied under him. Neither would any of the Black Dragon society members. Neither would have sumo champion Tenryu.
In modern terms it would be like walking into a dojo today whose board of directors included George Bush and Barack Obama, and whose students included people like Colin Powell, Henry Kissenger and Muhammed Ali.
It seems to me that most Aikido people today, either openly or privately, actually do consider Morihei Ueshiba to have been a crackpot, and consider what he said to be mostly unintelligible garbage. Of course, most of those folks bow to his picture in reverence every time they train, are religious about addressing him with honorifics, and regularly quote bits of his writings out of context. In my experience most of them have a hard time seeing the disconnect.
Best,
Chris
emptycloud wrote:Fortunately I have never bowed before any shrines or photographs. I was refused participation in a seminar once because I refused to bow towards a photograph. Talk about crazy, put me off training in the art until I found my present comrades 18yrs ago. Not a snap shot or shrine for miles.
We have even forgotten the name of techniques, "hello-roto-moto" I think one used to be called.
What is needed is a manifesto of Neo-Aikido.
We need to sift through the possible autism of Ueshiba, and to respect the context of practice within the modern world.
I use the term crackpot in an affectionate way. A man who learns his art from the voices of Gods is a crackpot. A loverly crackpot. My kind of crackpot.
It is clear that Ueshiba was wrestling with mental demons his whole life, in modern terms he would of been diagnosed and perhaps sought medical help.
Lets not inherit his fantasies. We live in an era of unprecedented brain/body science this is the foundation upon which Neo-Aikido builds it laboratory.
We honour the past, but are rooted in the present and its relevant frustrations.
Patience, perseverance and perspiration, we all walk the same path.
If Ueshiba were alive today how would he of responded to the illuminations of modern mind/body research.. This is the path that neo or modern aikido embarks upon.
Rich
emptycloud wrote:Fortunately I have never bowed before any shrines or photographs. I was refused participation in a seminar once because I refused to bow towards a photograph. Talk about crazy, put me off training in the art until I found my present comrades 18yrs ago. Not a snap shot or shrine for miles.
We have even forgotten the name of techniques, "hello-roto-moto" I think one used to be called.
What is needed is a manifesto of Neo-Aikido.
We need to sift through the possible autism of Ueshiba, and to respect the context of practice within the modern world.
I use the term crackpot in an affectionate way. A man who learns his art from the voices of Gods is a crackpot. A loverly crackpot. My kind of crackpot.
It is clear that Ueshiba was wrestling with mental demons his whole life, in modern terms he would of been diagnosed and perhaps sought medical help.
Lets not inherit his fantasies. We live in an era of unprecedented brain/body science this is the foundation upon which Neo-Aikido builds it laboratory.
We honour the past, but are rooted in the present and its relevant frustrations.
Patience, perseverance and perspiration, we all walk the same path.
If Ueshiba were alive today how would he of responded to the illuminations of modern mind/body research.. This is the path that neo or modern aikido embarks upon.
Rich
Chris Li wrote:WVMark wrote:Ueshiba was far from a crackpot.*** Had he been so, Admirals Takeshita or Asano wouldn't have studied under him. Neither would any of the Black Dragon society members. Neither would have sumo champion Tenryu.
In modern terms it would be like walking into a dojo today whose board of directors included George Bush and Barack Obama, and whose students included people like Colin Powell, Henry Kissenger and Muhammed Ali.
It seems to me that most Aikido people today, either openly or privately, actually do consider Morihei Ueshiba to have been a crackpot, and consider what he said to be mostly unintelligible garbage. Of course, most of those folks bow to his picture in reverence every time they train, are religious about addressing him with honorifics, and regularly quote bits of his writings out of context. In my experience most of them have a hard time seeing the disconnect.
Best,
Chris
WVMark wrote:Zonker wrote:Bollocks.
Yeah. Definitely.
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