Tom wrote: Rabbit wrote:
Careful - If you are seen to be 'pestering' Dan you could get threatened with a ban yourself, Like I did
Specifically, you were asked to stop diverting the thread about aikido
with pestering and badgering Dan Harden about his martial arts training background, as was Ah Louis. http://rumsoakedfist.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=24114&start=90&sid=aec6d118071ab79a7e85a6b51777a27c
Folks who are obsessed with pestering Dan about his background, please use PMs to correspond with Dan and stop using this forum for your personal trolling agenda. If Ah Louis (John Pearson) or Rabbit insist on continuing the diversion and badger routine, they will be banned.
Engage each other on the topic of the thread
. Dan's training background was not the topic of the Aikido thread. That is why off-topic posts, including Dan's
, were moved to another thread of their own in BTDT. If you can't understand that, then maybe you don't really belong on a discussion
forum. Ah Louis decided he didn't like the company here or the reception he was getting and left. That's called freedom of choice. We don't need more members at RSF because we are not a commercial venue. What we need are members who can understand the difference between engaging on a topic or line of discussion and trolling.
RSF is very laissez-faire with respect to moderation, in large part because the people who do it (we are legion) are volunteers. We've had far more people leave RSF on their own complaining about the lack of moderation--recognized, highly-skilled martial artists--than we have had complain about too much moderation and control.
Now let's talk about Dan Harden, since that is what you seem to want to do. Does he come across posting here as bombastic and bludgeoning, even bullying? Well yes actually sometimes he does. He's been told that. In the past Dan's been warned more than once about the possibility of being banned from RSF. Lots of people don't like Dan's online style. Lots of those same people refuse or are not able to engage with Dan on the specific martial arts points he raises because they are distressed or feel they are somehow the target of Dan's clumsy bulldozer tone of voice or--most typically--they lack the training and combative intelligence to engage the specific points about training or body usage or fighting application he raises.Or because Dan makes sweeping generalizations then fails to supply specific supporting analysis and examples/evidence
. Yeah, it happens. Somebody like Brian (Hassler) calls Dan on it . . . with a specific and fair critique . . . about the topic of the post or thread at issue.
Dan then responds with a more detailed set of points. Now maybe there is agreement afterwards, maybe not. Dialectic does not always result in consensus. The point is that Brian can call Dan out (rhetorically) about something Dan has posted. Brian doesn't get warned about it by moderators. Why not? Because his points in this respect are well-considered and generally valid. And he tends to get a clearer response from Dan as a result. Learn from that.
Brian's posts on this thread ("advanced budo") raise an important aspect of RSF, which remains one of the longest-running and most resilient online MA discussion communities. Since he writes more clearly about this self-policing
than I could, I will quote Brian's post (addressed to Dan) from earlier in this thread:The mods do a great job of providing this great space for free and I believe most of us are and should be greatful for all they do. However, there's nothing wrong with the community policing itself, and if someone wants to pop in and create unproductive conflict all the time, maybe members of the community should speak up and say it's not appreciated. I, for one, do not appreciate your negativity and superior attitude when you have done nothing on the forum to justify any of it. Write a cogent argument, or post a video, or do something that contributes to the appreciation of IMA as it is expressed on the forum. This is a discussion forum, and if your legendary exploits on the streets or on the mats don't contribute to the discussion, they're meaningless here. The corollary, of course, is that members can also police themselves, thinking about what they post and its impact on the thread they are posting on--before they actually post it
At what point do posts objecting to a particular member's style and not relating specifically to the topic of a thread reach critical mass for separating those posts from the thread and dropping them in a steaming pile beside the trail? Has that happened here on the "advanced budo" thread? Possibly, probably . . . but only if a moderator jumps and decides to do it. That's RSF. Moderators here don't always agree on when or how to take moderation action; that's RSF. Moderation is inconsistent; that's RSF. Moderation doesn't always satisfy everyone and rarely satisfies anyone; that's RSF. The moderators here all have many more and far better things to do with their time and energy than babysit bruised egos and educate adults on how to discuss topics online; yes, even I do.
Harden the fuck up. Don't post anything you wouldn't be willing to say in person. Be willing to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous posts by others--because you will suffer them. Don't whine about the shortcomings of moderators: you are responsible for your participation here. Don't post if you don't feel respected. Don't read RSF if you don't find what you want here. Look in the bloody mirror: you've got better things to do than get depressed because someone called you a troll. Ten months or ten years from now, none of this will matter. In the long run none of this will matter at all. What will matter in the interim is what, how and why you train--if you train.
Enough of this bullshit. What is Tony Annesi doing that is advanced budo? Why is what Tony Annesi shows on the videos not advanced budo? Stealing and making a profit from others' teachings is the act of an asshole . . . but are the teachings being misrepresented? Is the technique shown invalid? How is it invalid? What makes a valid technique? Why is it more valid?