Tom wrote:Ah Louis wrote: . . . .
For the record, this is exactly the reason why I left.
But you haven't left, John. You are still here and reading RSF so enthusiastically that you quoted me twice in your post.
Bodywork wrote: In fact many times, as in the figure eight, Systema thread, I refused to discuss movement, persons or anything else, and only addressed terminology. What followed was surreal. It was typical: people read me challenging some aspect of their work and THEY take it personally. .
RobP2 wrote:Bodywork wrote: In fact many times, as in the figure eight, Systema thread, I refused to discuss movement, persons or anything else, and only addressed terminology. What followed was surreal. It was typical: people read me challenging some aspect of their work and THEY take it personally. .
Not me. I just pointed out where you misquoted me / put words into my mouth etc etc
Bodywork wrote:Sure and I even embarrassingly cross referenced another thread by mistake... duh!
But I only mentioned it is not THE INTERNAL figure eight. I never discussed: the quality of what you were doing, or you as a person, your motivation for posting, your background, claim you are only fishing for students blah blah blah. In fact I refused to do so. Stranger still is that for many reasons, I like systema and support it. But... we all read the result.
Tom wrote:Ah Louis wrote: . . . .
For the record, this is exactly the reason why I left.
But you haven't left, John. You are still here and reading RSF so enthusiastically that you quoted me twice in your post.
RobP2 wrote:Bodywork wrote:Sure and I even embarrassingly cross referenced another thread by mistake... duh!
But I only mentioned it is not THE INTERNAL figure eight. I never discussed: the quality of what you were doing, or you as a person, your motivation for posting, your background, claim you are only fishing for students blah blah blah. In fact I refused to do so. Stranger still is that for many reasons, I like systema and support it. But... we all read the result.
No, but you have said in the recent past systema is not a Russian martial art, one of my teachers is a liar, you can "take apart" systema guys with ease, "Fig 8" guys have no power etc etc. Water off a ducks back, but let's be consistent shall we?
I'm not going to comment on the video accept to say there is a figure eight model is for a continuous circle (spiral, really) to be occurring -within- the body without a change or stopping point. Albeit empty hand or continuous cutting with weapons, it is a powerful tool. Many have heard of it and talked about it. It is VERY difficult to do and requires certain body parts to be highly trained. This video has nothing to do with that saught after skill.
allen2saint wrote:Dan,
I don't think the tone of my posts are very prosecutorial so there's no need to defend yourself so adamantly. Has anyone here been immune from unfairness or personal attacks? No. So why are you using that as some kind of argument? I take you at your word and believe you've got something. I've read your explanations. I think some here wish you would "show" rather than tell. I didn't request either. I said as long as you are so adamant about your positions and critical of others, you will get flack. That's group dynamics in a nutshell.
But as far as saying you do not personally attack people? Hard to define "personally" but I think an honest self assess would show you that you are harsh and accusatory about people and their knowledge, sometimes without knowing the background of the person you say "doesn't know anything."
All I can say is, coming from a profession and a world where personal points of view sadly reign supreme and bitter disputes among experts is so legendary it has its own saying( "The hatred of theologians"), I have never seen a time or place where these bitter disputes help anyone or a situation when person who knows more gains anything by lording it over others. Those that learn from you will and the rest are best passed over, IMO, because they serve their own private and personal MA gods( which are usually personal for all the wrong reasons, just like the religious gods) and they aren't about to be swayed, least of all by being told they're morons.
I think internet forums become closed off, weird places where insults and arguments take over, and people become self indulgent unless it is managed correctly. I am as guilty of that as anyone and I hope I am not doing so now. Just offering a point of view.
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