there might be just a little bit more to that than meets the eye.oragami_itto wrote:
I think that's a pretty common perspective. Most folks are happy with the smallest of accomplishments and take that as true mastery.
there might be just a little bit more to that than meets the eye.oragami_itto wrote:
I think that's a pretty common perspective. Most folks are happy with the smallest of accomplishments and take that as true mastery.
charles wrote:oragami_itto wrote:Yeah like that.
But, what isn't translated is Chen Xiaowang's statement that most people practicing Chen TJQ today are at level 1.5ish or lower, including many current teachers. Very, very few achieve higher levels, such as 3, 4 or 5. So he said. (I didn't ask him where he is on his own scale of levels.)
RobP3 wrote:Is that a fault of the students or the method?
marvin8 wrote:quote="Chen Xiao Wang translated by Tan Lee-Peng, Ph.D."]The Third Level Kung Fu
'If you wish to do well in your quan (or form), you must practice to make your circle smaller.' The steps in practising Chen-style taijiquan involve progressing from mastering big circle to medium circle and from medium circle to small circle. . . .
The Fourth Level Kung Fu
Progressing from the stage with medium circle to that with small circle is required of the fourth level kung fu. . . .
The Fifth Level Kung Fu
The fifth level kung fu is the stage in which one moves from commanding small circle to commanding invisible circle, from mastering the form to executing the form invisibly. . . .]
oragami_itto wrote:charles wrote:
But, what isn't translated is Chen Xiaowang's statement that most people practicing Chen TJQ today are at level 1.5ish or lower, including many current teachers. Very, very few achieve higher levels, such as 3, 4 or 5. So he said. (I didn't ask him where he is on his own scale of levels.)
I think that's a pretty common perspective. Most folks are happy with the smallest of accomplishments and take that as true mastery.
RobP3 wrote:charles wrote:
But, what isn't translated is Chen Xiaowang's statement that most people practicing Chen TJQ today are at level 1.5ish or lower, including many current teachers. Very, very few achieve higher levels, such as 3, 4 or 5. So he said. (I didn't ask him where he is on his own scale of levels.)
Is that a fault of the students or the method?
probably what it would cost for somebody to dedicate their entire life teaching you. That is probably why they have disciplescharles wrote:RobP3 wrote:Is that a fault of the students or the method?
THAT is the million dollar question.
Bao wrote:One older definition of neijia or internal arts that I like is that strength/power is generated from stillness. So the generation should be all about internal movement No mechanics or gathering should be visible.
willie wrote:Bao wrote:One older definition of neijia or internal arts that I like is that strength/power is generated from stillness. So the generation should be all about internal movement No mechanics or gathering should be visible.
It would be very interesting to hear you try to explain that. I have come to realize that a lot of the sayings are not really feasible.
my old yang style teacher viewed reeling silk as charging the battery.windwalker wrote:willie wrote:Bao wrote:One older definition of neijia or internal arts that I like is that strength/power is generated from stillness. So the generation should be all about internal movement No mechanics or gathering should be visible.
It would be very interesting to hear you try to explain that. I have come to realize that a lot of the sayings are not really feasible.
To show it would be better
willie wrote:Bao wrote:One older definition of neijia or internal arts that I like is that strength/power is generated from stillness. So the generation should be all about internal movement No mechanics or gathering should be visible.
It would be very interesting to hear you try to explain that. I have come to realize that a lot of the sayings are not really feasible.
Bao that video was identical to every damn thing that I learned from my yang style teacher . What he was using was a very even body that had no blockage. Then it was coupled to Buddhist and Taoist theories. If we live in and move in the past we are too late and it is not real. If we try to do a technique then we are looking towards the future and it is also not real. So the only thing that was real was the very Split Second of what he called now or just in awareness. It actually had a lot of influence from Buddhism where there was no past and there is no future and the only thing is now therefore it is impossible to fit anything else into reality . So where do you go from there?Bao wrote:Even if I try to add the slightest little effort, or if I do something even a tiny bit artificial, all my best power and all my skill slips away.
Maybe this Kaufman guy is the best one to explain and show...
willie wrote: So where do you go from there?
willie wrote:Bao that video was identical to every damn thing that I learned from my yang style teacher . What he was using was a very even body that had no blockage. Then it was coupled to Buddhist and Taoist theories. If we live in and move in the past we are too late and it is not real. If we try to do a technique then we are looking towards the future and it is also not real. So the only thing that was real was the very Split Second of what he called now or just in awareness. It actually had a lot of influence from Buddhism where there was no past and there is no future and the only thing is now therefore it is impossible to fit anything else into reality . So where do you go from there?Bao wrote:Even if I try to add the slightest little effort, or if I do something even a tiny bit artificial, all my best power and all my skill slips away.
Maybe this Kaufman guy is the best one to explain and show...
oragami_itto wrote:Just so I'm clear here.
You're saying that power is not generated by thinking of turning the joints of the body like gears?
oragami_itto wrote:I was actually asking Willie.
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