Right hand white tiger (lungs) left hand green dragon liver

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Re: Right hand white tiger (lungs) left hand green dragon liver

Postby voidisyinyang on Tue Apr 24, 2018 3:14 pm

I-mon wrote:I actually am very interested, but so far in my own research I have found the systems/complexity approach to interactions between systems (environmental, socio-cultural, behavioural, cognitive, neurological, endocrine, immunological, histological, genetic and epigenetic, molecular, etc) to be the most accessible and simplest to understand when it comes to all mind-body practices including qigong, without needing to involve quantum mechanics to explain the process or the effects. My very basic understanding of quantum physics (from 1st year physics at university 20 years ago + my own reading on the topic since then) is that it is basically a given that quantum effects are involved in physiological processes (and therefore their psychological/experiential correlates) at the finest levels, but that these effects are important only at those extremely small spatial and temporal scales, and most likely not perceptible to a human nervous system.

The topics are interesting, but I find your posting style impossible to follow - literally, it is not possible for me to follow your arguments, you jump all over the place and it's not at all coherent to me! So I'd suggest that if you do enjoy discussing this stuff with other people, you might try to simplify what you are trying to say, because there's a good chance that no one has a damn clue what you're actually talking about, and it's not necessarily because they are ignorant but because you're not doing a very good job of communicating! No offence meant.


I looked over your book list on your website. I highly recommend you read "Life on the Edge" - by JOhnJoe McFadden and the dude who does those BBC docs. That's a good start. The basic concept here is that quantum biology is not quantum physics - or at least "mainstream" - quantum biology is more like quantum relativity as per Louis de Broglie. So the big point here is Self-Amplifying Harmony.

So you are saying that you don't think quantum coherence would be perceptible to the human nervous system. Let me give you a basic example.

You have heard of Earthing, I'm sure - or as people like to say "grounding" - but if a person is bare foot on the Earth then they take in negative ions from the Schumann resonance of lightning strikes (that happen 40 times per second and create a standing wave with strongest fundamental frequency of 7.8 hertz or so)....O.K. so people report this Earthing practice as creating an "internal tingling" sensation. So what that internal tingling is - it is the negative ions neutralizing the free radicals in the body.

Now each cell has at least 1000 mitochondria and so the microtubules charge up the mitochondria and the mitochondria emit biophotons that are absorbed by the serotonin.
But as I'm sure you know the mitochondria operates as a proton wheel system - and so releases free radicals.

http://elixirfield.blogspot.com/2018/04 ... antum.html

I just did a blog post on this - so it turns out that the free radicals are actually from the quantum spin getting changed - as the energy is increased by the mitochondria. And so the negative ions are changing the spin - by neutralizing the free radicals.

O.K. you might have noticed from increasing your qi enegy - that if you have fructose you will get an immediate strong internal tingling sensation. Why? Because the qi - as the yin qi stage - it is negative ions and so it naturally, like Earthing, is neutralizing the free radicals created from the sugar. But why fructose more so? Because fructose is actually a toxin to the body - why? Because it is the wrong chirality - it polarizes light in the wrong direction. So normally if we eat fruit - then the fructose is still digested in the small intestines since it is surrounded by fiber - but it still gets released even with fruit. For example Gabriel Cousins who trained at Muktanananda's ashram - said his key secret was to not eat fruit while he was doing serious yoga meditation to build up the prana energy. So he know has his fasting and raw food yoga center in Arizona - and authored the Rainbow diet book.

O.k. - so the point being that free radicals are based on quantum spin and quantum coherence - and so the qigong training is actually "accumulating phase" as noncommutative phase spin energy.

So - this is now being done for quantum computing - but also the reason DNA has a double helix is because it is held together by quantum phonons as quantum entanglement.

So this was the point made with smell being quantum nonlocality consciousness - the quantum biology doc I linked points out the research that actually smell is based on quantum frequency as resonance tunneling. So every time we smell - this is direct resonance with quantum nonlocal consciousness. So for example the difference between lemon and orange is that they have different frequencies - whereas two different molecules like cyanide and almonds can smell very similar since they have the same quantum frequency.http://felixonline.co.uk/articles/2018- ... e-quantum/ The way it is explained - chirality - is how Jimi Hendrix is left handed and yet he can't just flip his guitar over since it would be upside down. So this is actually from music theory - because you have have the same frequency but a different geometric form or vice versa - the different frequencies and same geometric form. This is why you can have a Perfect Fifth but it is C to F as subharmonic and C to G as overtone and one way is 2/3 frequency and the other way is 3/2 frequency. That is the secret of the T'ai Chi. Each zero point in space is actually a noncommutative phase as quantum tunneling.

So it's been proven we also hear at the sub-angstrom wavelength - smaller than light. But this is considered to be "thermal noise" - when in fact it is quantum coherence that self amplifies up to the hair cells of the inner ear being vibrated. So it was previously thought we can not hear ultrasound. Younger people can hear it. But now it is known that actually the whole brain resonates as ultrasound when we listen to the highest pitch we hear externally. Ultrasound is actually proprioception as the 6th sense that activates all the other "feelings" and "sensations" - and then it is only because of the self-amplifying of the quantum coherence that the smaller tubulins are able to resonate with the highest energy as a larger structure of microtubules, 3000 times stronger than as tubulins - through ultrasound.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28851923

So just as water has now been proven to be a "macroquantum molecule" - what is happening is that with standing active exercise there is a piezoelectric field of the collagen - that resonates with the Schumann field with the bare foot on the ground as Earthing - and the legs vibrating 7 to 9 times per second with the "shaking medicine" as it's called around the world - as Dr. Bradford Keeney documents - and so the water being denser then with the hydrophilic proteins of the collagen - captures the electromagnetic field at the same frequency but with a sub-wavelength of light. And so then virtual photons are created which then splits the water into a delocalized proton-proton room temperature superconducting energy. This is the secret of the qi meridian energy as Dr. Mae-Wan Ho explains. In effect it is an acoustic cavitation with the surface area of the water collapsing faster - due to the ultrasound piezoelectric energy - and the cavitation creates a subharmonic as a proton-proton coupling that is a spin, or reverse time superluminal phase wave - a momentum from the subwavelength collapse of the shock wave.

This is called the 4th state of Water or "EZ water" - it is found near the freezing temperature of water but also created from the increased pressure. This is also why cold water immersion can, ironically, increase the heat - as long as the mitochondria are fed the microtubule energy through increased strong reverse breathing. So then the adrenaline doubles - just as the same as bungee jumping for the first time - as Wim Hof experiments have demonstrated in the lab - and then you get a parasympathetic rebound from holding the breath after exhale. As the breathing and heart synchronize through increase vagus nerve activation the energy is stored in the microtubules of the cells and neurons. And then the qi energy is activated again via the sympathetic nervous system.

So when the "yuan qi" is activated - this means the body has filled up with yin qi, from the generative force restored - with enough lecithin to insulate the charge - as yang qi - and so the bones become supple - and even the top of the skull pulsates with qi and gets soft - the fontanelle opens up. And the centers of the hands and feet pulsate with qi. At this stage only increased purification then continues to build more yuan qi which then opens up the third eye more as increased yuan shen. I just got a "taste" of the yuan qi - but since I had not studied the alchemy books well enough I had no idea what I had gotten into. haha. But at that stage - then they do the horse stance for 2 hours nonstop with the thighs parallel to the ground - at Shaolin - for 3 months. At the end of that training the third eye is fully open and then long distance healing is practiced.

So it is very much a Macroquantum training based on noncommutative phase or the T'ai chi as the origin of the energy (undivided yin-yang) to activate and build up the yuan qi. It is not understood by Western science. Quantum biology is just starting to give hints. For example it is shown that we can emit biophotons out of our eyes - and we do so - each cell emits 100,000 biophotons per second. But since biophotons are coherent laser energy then by keeping the eyes closed and visualizing the light - this increases the energy.

O.K. - you should be able to just activate your vagus nerve "at well " - from your pineal gland. I used to call it "flexing" in the pineal gland. But again that is a left brain siddhi - as the intention. Whereas the qi really does originate as noncommutative phase that is nonlocal - and so by turning the light around - the healing will happen on its own - through internal listening into silence of the mind.

But if I "flex" my pineal gland to activate my vagus nerve then suddenly my throat pulsates as the vagus nerve pulls up energy from the lower tan t'ien. I used to do this a lot so I used up my "yang qi" energy by doing free psychic healing in fast food restaurants, etc. haha. I had strangers thank me - which was kind of cool.

Ok so one time I was reading while in full lotus in Burger King and then I happened to make eye contact with this big Native indigenous man as he held he tray, looking for a place to sit down - across the restaurant. As we just barely made eye contact suddenly my liver burned real hot - so I knew I was, in full lotus, suddenly taking in his anger energy. So I knew I was in danger and I didn't dare look at him again. I kept reading in full lotus and my liver got more hot and more hot. Then he walked past me, on the other side of the restaurant and he sat down in a booth behind me - but to my right. So I had not looked at him but since my liver was so hot - then I "flexed' my pineal gland and sent qi energy out of the back of my skull - into him. By doing so - then the extra anger energy in my liver got transduced via my heart into qi in the pineal gland - and so my liver cooled down. So I knew his anger as a liver blockage was going away and in turn I was sending qi energy via the heart - as bliss energy. So I just kept reading and I was happy that my liver heat had gone down - the burning was gone - so I knew I was not in as much danger from his anger and so I still didn't dare look - obviously I was facing the opposite direction. Then suddenly I noticed he had walked up behind me and he was standing next to me and he said: Thank you. That was it! I was shocked he would thank me when we had barely made eye contact! Also I didn't dare say a word to him since I am not supposed to send psychic qi energy like that - it is not purified as yang and yin through the small universe - into yuan qi - it is just psychic energy as yin and yang qi separated. So it pulls up anaerobic bacteria from the lower body - into the skull and leaches out of my gums - via the vagus nerve pumping up energy to the pineal gland - the right side vagus nerve. So I just smiled at him - and I had antioxidants I use - essential oils - tree tree oil.

You should know tea tree oil obviously - but in fact the San Bushmen used a similar terpene antioxidant for their purifications when they were doing healings.
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Re: Right hand white tiger (lungs) left hand green dragon liver

Postby wiesiek on Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:29 am

My daughter is very new agey,
this early spring she took her child for the bare foot negative ions neutralization of the free radicals in the body.
Something went deadly wrong
`cause they got pneumonia....

yes,
I know,inventors always have wind in the eyes and Greeks on their back,
so
don`t care to answer, v.
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Re: Right hand white tiger (lungs) left hand green dragon liver

Postby I-mon on Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:46 pm

Void you sound like you are permanently tripping balls. It seems like you're enjoying yourself though so good for you I guess.
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Re: Right hand white tiger (lungs) left hand green dragon liver

Postby voidisyinyang on Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:51 pm

I-mon wrote:Void you sound like you are permanently tripping balls. It seems like you're enjoying yourself though so good for you I guess.


My experience with Jim and Chunyi is they work on the Emptiness level - so I feel the center of my brain get very hot - the pineal gland - or the heart get very hot.

So with Chunyi - the healing is a kind of laser holographic energy from the Emptiness. He described once - how someone was bleeding internally and so he created a kind of sac of material - that then when the doctors did the surgery they discovered this sac, exactly as he had visualizing - that had stopped the internal bleeding. He said other healings - the doctors had x-rays - the Mayo Clinic doctors have promoted him. I cite the study by Mayo Clinic Dr. Ann Vincent but there have been several others on record. Chunyi cowrote a chapter with a Mayo Clinic doctor - for a textbook - on complementary healing - Nisha Manek was the doctor. Then a few doctors from the University of Minnesota have also worked with Chunyi.

Anyway so when I did intensive meditation - then the bones got soft and pulsated with qi - but that was in 2000 - a long time ago. I was young and did not know what I was getting into. So then I studied the books - and the best book is "Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality" -
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Re: Right hand white tiger (lungs) left hand green dragon liver

Postby Dmitri on Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:42 pm

Wow... The Force is strong with this one. -bow-

(Also getting flashbacks from some post(er)s from EF's hazy past...)
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Re: Right hand white tiger (lungs) left hand green dragon liver

Postby voidisyinyang on Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:20 pm

I-mon wrote:Void you sound like you are permanently tripping balls. It seems like you're enjoying yourself though so good for you I guess.


Back to your question about how the quantum effects can be scaled up - here is the 2nd author of that quantum biology book. He's an actual biologist - so he explains it better than the physicist. I'm talking about the free radicals -
How does it work in a biological organism?....And how does a field, as weak as the Earth's magnetic field make much of a difference....it shouldn't make much any difference to any biochemical reaction.... In 1976 demonstrated certain chemical reactions involving free radicals were sensitive to magnetic fields. And the reason for that was that the unpaired electrons in free radicals, if they remain entangled, they become sensitive, or the reaction becomes sensitive to magnetic fields. The presence acts as an angle of a magnetic field, relative to the unpaired electron orientation makes a difference to the final products of those reactions....certain chemical reactions were sensitive to magnetic fields.
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Re: Right hand white tiger (lungs) left hand green dragon liver

Postby everything on Wed May 02, 2018 10:07 pm

voidisinyang,

sorry, it's hard to follow everything you wrote...

... are you saying we should be standing in santishi with our right hand up. the right hand is not facing the body in any case.
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Re: Right hand white tiger (lungs) left hand green dragon liver

Postby wayne hansen on Thu May 03, 2018 1:13 pm

How about less words and a clip of something
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Re: Right hand white tiger (lungs) left hand green dragon liver

Postby voidisyinyang on Thu May 03, 2018 3:07 pm

everything wrote:voidisinyang,

sorry, it's hard to follow everything you wrote...

... are you saying we should be standing in santishi with our right hand up. the right hand is not facing the body in any case.


Thank you for the question. I posted in order to learn - http://www.ycgf.org/Articles/XY_SanTiSh ... TiShi.html
This - to me - shows the Santishi posture is really about the right hand facing down to the left foot. The left foot is yang while the right hand is yin.
When your left hand and left foot are in front during Santi Shi, the posture is called left-side Santi Shi. The opposite situation is referred to as
right-side Santi Shi. You should practice equally on both sides.


So I was told I need to do 2 hours a day of standing active exercise to rebuild my energy. This link gives very detailed instructions.

At the same time, imagine that your right hand is pulling something back and then coordinate this feeling with the
downward force in your left foot. The integration of the feeling in your right hand with the downward press of your left foot will augment the
backward force.


So the concept I did the OP on is the same as this - only I said the yin right hand is opposite to the yang upper body. But he is saying the right hand is against the left foot.

The first step in integration force training is to mentally connect one arm with the leg on the opposite side of your body. Focus first on the
Laogong point of your left hand and then expand this thought to the Yongquan point on your right foot.


and this is the crucial point of the practice - as a philosophy of structural position:

The entities of yin and yang are differentiated within Taiji but are not
yet fully separated....These changes result in the separation of yin and yang and end when yin and
yang become integrated and generate Santi Shi.


So I will study that more and may take up this practice. It is the same principles - only it takes it to a more detailed level - based on the hand with the foot as yin-yang - while standing.
The "moving of yin and yang" exercise I referred to is the hand against the upper body and hand against the lower body - while the feet are not included.

So that is Zhang Yun. What is so fascinating about this - is that as a Westerner we look at the stance and 99% of people are going to have no idea that there is a yin-yang circulation and activation of energy - like licking a 9-volt battery - you connect the positive and negative and so structurally you create a charge. And so in this case it is the right hand and left foot and vice versa.

So thank you for clarifying this for me.

http://www.ycgf.org/Articles/articles.htm

More of his articles there.

http://www.ycgf.org/Articles/TJ_XY_BG/arti_TBX.htm

Yes it is very nice to find a teacher who really understands and explains the principles well. So this connects right back to the Neidan alchemy training.

For example in full lotus - you want the left leg on top so that the "yang embraces the yin" - the yin being the lower body. So I didn't know this for a long time - and so I sat with the right leg on top. You can do this - but it does not store up energy as easily - instead it sends out energy. So I sent out a lot of my energy. But with the left leg on top then you activate the right side of the body more. I go into this - quoting a Chinese medical doctor....

In the
beginning, Xingyi training is very similar to external martial arts training, and then the training
progresses to incorporate high level principles. Because the training methodology is changed inside
instead of outside, many people cannot do this well, even if they do not realize it. Consequently, many
people enjoy low level practice or mistake low level practice for high level skill. In Xingyi training, how
to step over this point is the most difficult thing.


Exactly - so he is really talking about Daoist neidan alchemy.

Unfortunately most people just understand lower level principles, and sometimes therefore mistake low level skill for high
level.


This is so true.

So it is said that although many people practice, it is very rare to find someone who can achieve high level skill.


exactly. So this teacher really explains things well.

When I read how well he understands - it is quite stunning. So this opens up a whole new level of training for me.
It is very common for Xingyi practitioners to remain
at the level of Ming Jin even after many years hard training because they do not know how to progress to the next step (An Jin) and
perhaps do not even realize the need to further progress.


So to understand the high level is very rare indeed. So I am not saying I understand it. I'm just saying the teacher I took classes from is at a high level but he does healing, not fighting. So then it is a kind of reverse practice. He initiates people at a high level and then it's up to us to learn how to build up our foundation properly to keep training. haha.
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Re: Right hand white tiger (lungs) left hand green dragon liver

Postby everything on Thu May 03, 2018 7:30 pm

So now you think your right palm should face your left foot. I'm more interested in the health aspects (wider "application"), but on this board, people are more interested in martial arts, so usually we try to stay on that topic. Plus, like others, I cannot follow too much TCM theory or long posts very easily.

Anecdotally I would say that standing in santishi makes me feel more focused and "ready to act". I did an anecdotal test and tried this standing, then played a "shooter". I felt calmer yet more focused and did objectively better. There are too many variables to make much of a conclusion, but subjectively it's about being in the zone. I would say you try to calm down most of your nervous system, but it's ready. I try to do the same thing if I play goalkeeper. Most of the time you are watching alertly, but not doing anything, then suddenly you have to react. Getting your nervous system state, mental state, and whatever tactical body position you need all aligned is pretty difficult. "Fighting" has too many variables, but doing these two activities (the first you're mentally and nervous-system wise going through "fighting" but you're hardly moving, the second you are in a physical competition but again you're hardly moving), you definitely notice some "application", at least subjectively, of trying to bring this all together in a practical way for a specific result achieved through some kind of nervous system action (whether a button push or a diving to ground motion). I haven't noticed any difference with left or right hand up, but doing any kind of qigong, it feels different with hand facing outward or toward you. For me, a "tree hugging" posture is more calming, relaxing, back toward "undifferentiated".
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Re: Right hand white tiger (lungs) left hand green dragon liver

Postby voidisyinyang on Fri May 04, 2018 10:06 am

everything wrote:So now you think your right palm should face your left foot. I'm more interested in the health aspects (wider "application"), but on this board, people are more interested in martial arts, so usually we try to stay on that topic. Plus, like others, I cannot follow too much TCM theory or long posts very easily.

Anecdotally I would say that standing in santishi makes me feel more focused and "ready to act". I did an anecdotal test and tried this standing, then played a "shooter". I felt calmer yet more focused and did objectively better. There are too many variables to make much of a conclusion, but subjectively it's about being in the zone. I would say you try to calm down most of your nervous system, but it's ready. I try to do the same thing if I play goalkeeper. Most of the time you are watching alertly, but not doing anything, then suddenly you have to react. Getting your nervous system state, mental state, and whatever tactical body position you need all aligned is pretty difficult. "Fighting" has too many variables, but doing these two activities (the first you're mentally and nervous-system wise going through "fighting" but you're hardly moving, the second you are in a physical competition but again you're hardly moving), you definitely notice some "application", at least subjectively, of trying to bring this all together in a practical way for a specific result achieved through some kind of nervous system action (whether a button push or a diving to ground motion). I haven't noticed any difference with left or right hand up, but doing any kind of qigong, it feels different with hand facing outward or toward you. For me, a "tree hugging" posture is more calming, relaxing, back toward "undifferentiated".


Image
Three external harmonies (外三合)

The hands harmonise with the feet

So this is supposed to be the "harmonization" of hands and feet - but notice it is the opposite of what the Chinese daoist alchemy teaching actually is.
The first step in integration force training is to mentally connect one arm with the leg on the opposite side of your body. Focus first on the
Laogong point of your left hand and then expand this thought to the Yongquan point on your right foot....Complete this part of your practice by focusing on the Lao Gong point on your right hand and connecting it to the Yongquan point on your left foot.

https://www.taichi-neigong.net/santishi.html

So the person is "teaching" Santishi but I don't see any mention of the primary "complementary opposites" philosophy.

the mind focuses the energy as a connection between the right hand and left foot and the right foot and the left hand.

So that image says then Harmonize the elbow with the knee - but the Chinese teaching states:
Then, focus your mind on the Quchi
point on your left elbow and connect that thought to the Yanglingquan point on your right knee.


The image has it again as the opposite - a straight right to right alignment.

So this is my main point - the secret of the Daoist alchemy energy training is these opposite alignments - for males - the right hand and upper body, left hand and lower body. Right hand and left foot. Left hand and right foot.

And in meditation then with the eyes closed - the intention is guided by the visualization as spirit - and you are turning the light back around and so accessing the Emptiness as reverse time energy - and this then is the opposites at the same time - so you have reverse time energy at the same time as forward time. You "capture" the reverse time energy with the light turned around - since light does not have rest mass but as energy it can convert anti-matter into mass - from relativistic mass that is reverse time mass or superluminal momentum. This is the "golden key" as the "yin matter" or "yuan jing."
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Re: Right hand white tiger (lungs) left hand green dragon liver

Postby voidisyinyang on Fri May 04, 2018 3:16 pm

o.k. did my first 2 hours - switched from right to left at an hour. Awesome meditation training - standing qigong - do "small universe" - the 12 harmonic nodes as standing meditation in Santi Shi posture. Will go for 2 hours every day for 2 years to restore the yin qi energy. Saw nice violet light - stood outside barefoot - did a blog post on it. http://elixirfield.blogspot.com/2018/05 ... rally.html
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Re: Right hand white tiger (lungs) left hand green dragon liver

Postby everything on Fri May 04, 2018 7:34 pm

really interesting thanks.
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Re: Right hand white tiger (lungs) left hand green dragon liver

Postby voidisyinyang on Sat May 05, 2018 7:22 pm

everything wrote:really interesting thanks.


To bring the thread back to the OP:

The right path of Intent Boxing (Yi Quan) does not go beyond the ancient postures of old Three Fists and two energies (Qi) of Dragon and Tiger. Two energies of Dragon and Tiger are skills....


http://www.chinafrominside.com/ma/xyxy/sanquan.html

So that pretty much corroborates my original claim!!

Quote is from the founder of Yi Quan,
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Re: Right hand white tiger (lungs) left hand green dragon liver

Postby everything on Sun May 06, 2018 7:57 pm

I was trying this small experiment. Put your hands about 4-5 inches apart in front of your dan tian, with palms both facing toward you. Try L closer than R, then try R closer than L. It will feel different.
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