which level are you now?interesting chinese

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which level are you now?interesting chinese

Postby masterwill on Fri Jan 02, 2009 12:48 am

1.wushu(武术)in chinese means stop fighting's technique
2.wushu(巫术)in chinese means witchcraft's technique
3.wushu(无术)in chinese means no technique

most of people just focus on the first meaning,then for some of them will focus on the second meaning,but only few people will focus on the third meaning,which is the highest level of internal martial art,that means daosim.

which level r u now?

hope this time more people could understand this ;D ;D
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Postby ashe on Fri Jan 02, 2009 2:15 am

i think 巫术 is the highest of all three.

in our system we call it "mystery hand".
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Postby edededed on Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:24 am

武術(武术) just means martial techniques. "Stop fighting" is what the character looks like to one who knows modern Chinese today (but is probably not what the character actually meant).

巫術(巫术) just seems to mean something like magic.
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Postby Little Bai on Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:29 am

Yeah it means witchcraft and has nothing to do with martial arts. Well actually it does, since there has been a connection between martial arts practice and superstition as well as a believe in magical elixirs etc. Most famous example would be the Boxers (yihetuan) who thought they could shield themselves from guns through magical rituals.
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Postby Strange on Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:29 am

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Postby Doc Stier on Fri Jan 02, 2009 12:59 pm

To the best of my knowledge and understanding, the term wu3shu4 (武術) literally translates as "military art" or "martial art". As far as I am concerned, the other meanings of "wu-shu" posted here are irrelevant to the fighting arts, since they do not directly relate to martial arts or military methods and tactics.

Furthermore, the "wu" used in these other examples, wu2 (无) and wu1 (巫) are completely different words, with completely different Chinese characters to identify them, whereas they are all spelled the same in the English language, i.e. wu. Also, each of these words are spoken with a different tone pronunciation in the Chinese language.

I take the third example of wu-shu (无术)or (无術) to mean "having no art", in the sense of starting from scratch prior to developing or creating any art whatsoever. I don't take it to mean "no technique", as posted here, in the martial art context of having transcended dependence on specific techniques as a fighter.

Traditional Taoist references to that latter concept speak of a mental state that is "without thought" and with "no mind" engaged in the process, a concept found in Chan/Zen Buddhist spiritual thought as well. Thus, the martial techniques are programmed into the deeper subconscious mind, yet are automatically and spontaneously employed without any conscious awareness of their presence or any mindfulness of their manifestation. There is a marked difference between this idea and simply "no technique", IMO. ;)

As such, I consider this topic to be "grasping for straws' in proposing that there is any direct or obvious connection among these three terms. ::)

Just my opinion.

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Re: which level are you now?interesting chinese

Postby Darth Rock&Roll on Fri Jan 02, 2009 2:32 pm

way fuckin higher than those three. That's for sure. In fact, My level is so high, it simply cannot be attained. especially through linguistics. ;D
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Re: which level are you now?interesting chinese

Postby cdobe on Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:11 pm

I'm more interested whether any 啎姝 are around ...
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Postby Darth Rock&Roll on Sat Jan 03, 2009 7:34 am

the translator belches that out as "shu crime"

wtf is shu crime? lol
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Re: which level are you now?interesting chinese

Postby wiesiek on Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:23 am

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Postby Darth Rock&Roll on Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:50 am

I thought "Ho" was a surname.
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