using an jin to seal an opponents root?

[mixjourneyman]

I was just thinking of a previous experience that I had when I put on a push hands seminar with a local teacher a few years ago.
He had the ability to use an jin to seal people's root into the ground so that they were essentially trapped and couldn't move freely.
Does anyone know how he might have done this?
At the time both me and one of my friends who has some descent ph skill could not do anything when he used this technique. It was quite strange and I'm just wondering how he did it?

[Ba-men]

Does it only work in Fixed step

Was he using it to set up a bounce (I.e a sharp An Jing straight at the floor?

[chimerical tortoise]

I can't talk about jing, but in terms of yongchun I have had similar experiences in sticky hands. Practitioners with a good grasp of "nim tau" (念头) have a very stable intent in their handwork; upon contact it is impossible to move your hands, let alone maintain structure or defend/attack. The sensation feels like you're trapped, and if you move you will get hit.

[Ben]

Wish I could help you, I don't think I've ever felt anything like that before.

[johnrieber]

was he a wu style guy, mix?

[Interloper]

Mix,
It does sound like he was using an-jing (obscuring energy). It's downward pressure that is generated by your own root to the ground, coming up your center and spine, over and down into your partner's to the ground at his feet. You're compressing him through his spine. You can transmit through your arms, shoulders, chest or even the top of your head, among other energy output points. Your whole body is engaged in the process.

[mixjourneyman]

Does it only work in Fixed step

Was he using it to set up a bounce (I.e a sharp An Jing straight at the floor?

Not sure, it was quite a few years ago. I recall that I tried to shuffle my feet around a bit and couldn't really move out of it, but it was in a fixed step situation.

John: no, Yang from Sam Massich's lineage (oddly enough).


Interloper: cool. Was pretty sure it was an, as it had a pushing down feel to it, but that confirms my suspicions.

[johnwang]

I have never experienced that in my life. I have not seen that been used on any SC match either. My teacher also said that he had never experienced that in his life. I had a discussion on this subject with the Beijing PE University SC/Judo/wrestling coach Mr. Wang De-Yin and he also had never seen that used in his life time.

As long as your legs are free, one point contact throw is too easy to escape by your footwork.

[Interloper]

John W,
If you meet up with Mike Sigman when he's in Austin, you could ask him to demonstrate this application of an-jing for you to feel.

[mixjourneyman]

I have never experienced that in my life. I have not seen that been used on any SC match either. My teacher also said that he had never experienced that in his life. I had a discussion on this subject with the Beijing PE University SC/Judo/wrestling coach Mr. Wang De-Yin and he also had never seen that used in his life time.

As long as your legs are free, one point contact throw is too easy to escape by your footwork.

It should be noted that I was pretty new to martial arts practice at the time this was done to me.
I'm not sure whether it would work anymore.

[johnwang]

It should be noted that I was pretty new to martial arts practice at the time this was done to me.
I'm not sure whether it would work anymore.

I didn't want to upset you by saying, "Your skill may have to be much higher than your opponent in order to make your An Jing work like this".

[Interloper]

I have never experienced that in my life. I have not seen that been used on any SC match either. My teacher also said that he had never experienced that in his life. I had a discussion on this subject with the Beijing PE University SC/Judo/wrestling coach Mr. Wang De-Yin and he also had never seen that used in his life time.

As long as your legs are free, one point contact throw is too easy to escape by your footwork.

It should be noted that I was pretty new to martial arts practice at the time this was done to me.
I'm not sure whether it would work anymore.

Mix, you'd be amazed at how few people know how to deal with getting stuffed into their own feet.
But once you learn how to use your own body with an-jing, you can reverse their anjing back onto them, or else prevent them from applying it on you from the get-go.....if your structure is superior to theirs. If you're equal in skill, then the quicker guy wins. It's kind of fun to play with.

[mixjourneyman]

haha, it would be interesting to push with the teacher again and see what he can do to me now

[mixjourneyman]

It seems like the easiest thing to do would be just to drop your hands, circle back up, and use some other technique to draw the opponent's hands back up to a higher part of their body.

[Interloper]

haha, it would be interesting to push with the teacher again and see what he can do to me now

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