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Not sure the Rum Soaked Fist needs to be propagating the agenda of a convicted molester/pedophile. Could look bad for the board as a whole.
Something to consider,
Jake

JAB wrote:Not sure the Rum Soaked Fist needs to be propagating the agenda of a convicted molester/pedophile. Could look bad for the board as a whole.
Something to consider,
Jake

Do you have details? According to his website he's been teaching pretty much continuously since 1982. Generally, convicted sex offenders aren't allowed to teach bagua. Was he actually convicted or just accused?

I forget what ended up happening, but it didn't sound very good. You could probably find more info by doing a Google search...

Jake-

You should probably provide some back-up to your assertion that John Bracy is a "convicted molester/pedophile." I just did a quick check of registered sex offenders in California and his name did not come up. If he is a sex offender, then people should definitely be made aware. If he is not, then you should retract your statement. Please give us more details. Thanks.

-Steve

cerebus wrote:I forget what ended up happening, but it didn't sound very good. You could probably find more info by doing a Google search...

I did that couldn't find anything.

"Generally, convicted sex offenders aren't allowed to teach bagua."

Don't worry, there's always tai chi.

This is an extremely serious accusation, and must be proved as if it is true then people should be aware of it conversely if it is not true then it could destroy an innocent man reputation/life.

Chris Fleming wrote:"Generally, convicted sex offenders aren't allowed to teach bagua."

Don't worry, there's always tai chi.

Rarely does a sex offense occur in a taiji class because everyone knows it's a ghey sausage-fest before they sign up...

AllanF wrote:This is an extremely serious accusation, and must be proved as if it is true then people should be aware of it conversely if it is not true then it could destroy an innocent man reputation/life.

There was a thread about Bracy's Bagua on the old EF-dot-com board and the issue of his past came up. As I recall, a lady registered just to post in the thread and said that she wanted to let everyone know that it was indeed true and she didn't want to see anyone else's kids get hurt. I wish I had saved the post, she seemed sincere and it kinda caught everyone by surprise to hear that. Anyway, if I am incorrect in my recollection I apologize in advance and will remove my post, but that's the way I remember it.

If it's the same guy (the Bracy that marketed all the "Iron Palm" stuff) - then I remember the stories too.

IIRC it was something about a relationship with a 14 or 15 year old male student that caused him some legal problems.

If this is a different guy then my apologies.

http://articles.latimes.com/1990-02-07/ ... instructor

Didn't find any information on the outcome, though.

hey all

John Bracy is a good martial artist, with a wealth of knowledge that he is willing to share. However he is also been under a serious cloud of several accusations of impropriety with younger students, of abusing his power of authority to gain sexual favours. He had to leave the US for a considerable while.

I would investigate thouroughly before committing to learn.

yusuf

Again, unless someone has been convicted of a sex crime, he is innocent. We should be careful about accusations becoming truth. That being said, one should always be careful about who we associate with. You should always check out the credentials and character of those you choose to spend a considerable amount of time and money with.

-Steve

The iron palm person was named Brian somebody. I have John Bracey's bagua book and its been a number of years since I have seen anything from that group---thought it was interesting. Never heard about the alleged charges.