a Wu Taiji article by Stephan Yan that i liked

[Doc Stier]

[Nick C]

I thought I would just clarify the list at the end of the article as the Wu Style complete system.

Although Dr Yan mentioned the 8 Posture Nei Gong set in the article, it was missed off the list at the end. So the complete list of the Wu Tai Chi System as taught by Master Ma and Master Wu is as follows:

Nei Gong:
• Hun Yun Zhuang Nei Gong
• Five Elements Nei Gong
• 8 Posture Nei Gont
• Taiji Yin Yang 24 Methods (also called 'tai ji gong", was the one Master Wu Jian Quan learned from Master Song Shu Ming 宋书铭whom was Song Yuan Qiao's宋远桥 17th generation decendent,and Song Yuan Qiao宋远桥 was a disciple of Fu Zi Li麸子李in early Ming Dynasty ,Fu Zi Li 麸子李 was a direct disciple of the great taiji founder Zhang San Feng.Master Song Shu Ming 宋书铭wrote a book called "taiji gong太极功"in 1916 , when Master Wu Jian Quan met Master Song , Song was also a secreatary of China president 袁世凯）

Forms:
• Modefied Form by Master Ma and Master Wu
• Slow Form (founded by Master Wu Jian Quan)
• Fast Form (Zhang San Fong's original 13posture soft hands)
• Single moves' practise of above forms

Push hands:
• Single person practice
• Two persons basic practice (5 types for single hand and 3 for double hands)
• Also for two person push hands there are distance and near methods,Upper ,middle and lower sections method 13 types,8 Types of dynamic stepping and finally “Lan Cai Hua”

Weapons:
• Taiji Broad sword
• Jian Kun sword
• Seven Star sword
• Lian Huang sword
• Double sword
• 6 sets of sticking sword(two person)
• 24 Spear
• Life Saving 3 Spear
• 13 Spear
• Sticking Spear( two sets of two man Sticking Staff --spear without head)
• Nian Lian 4 Spears
• Nian Li 4 Spears
• 4 SHAN SPEAR




For those of you interested in the Wu Style Fast Form, and may have seen some of the detractors’ discussions relating to its supposed creation by Master Ma in the eighties (despite his statements to the contrary – that this was the original form from Yang Luchan taught to all his students), the following links may be of interest.

http://xchjwd.blog.163.com/blog/static/ ... 211015351/

http://fistandantilux.blog.163.com/blog ... 194341131/

These links show that Master Ma actually demonstrated the Wu Style Fast Form in 1954 at a ‘Friendship Meeting’ of the Shanghai Wu Shu Society, held from 7-9pm on the 21-06-1954.

Master Ma is number 61 on the list below, translated as “Ma Yue Liang Fast Tai Chi Quan”

Of note, some of the Masters that attended this event are still alive today.

上海武术界联谊会武术表演名录

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上海武术界联谊会武术表演名录


时间：1954年6月21日下午7时-9时半 　　地点：上海陕西南路市体育馆
徐致一先生致欢迎词
次序号 姓名 名称
　　1、 鉴泉太极拳社 团体太极拳
　　2、 马葆琛 六路查拳
　　3、 金省吾 反势太极拳
　　4、 蒋锡荣 太极剑
　　5、 张文年 五候刀
　　6、 李秀峰 猴拳
　　7、 侯剑青 劈挂拳
　　8、 马葆琛 刺摩橛
　　9、 张士林 蟠龙三节棍
　　10、 刘明元 罗汉拳
　　11、 华春荣 形意拳
　　12、 侯剑青 虎头双钩
　　13、 俞善行 太极刀
　　14、 蒋锡荣 太极拳
　　15、 于福鸿 梅花长拳
　　16、 武贵卿 太极剑
　　17、 李秀峰 六合枪
　　18、 刘德生 短拳
　　19、 张士林 形意鸳鸯八卦足
　　20、 张文年 八卦双钩
　　21、 王凤章 二路查枪
　　22、 王禧奎 形意拳
　　23、 金祥宝 五候刀
　　24、 张世玉 梅花螳螂拳
　　25、 刘德生 双剑
　　26、 程毅如 活步太极拳
　　27、 刘明元 梅花枪
　　28、 田作霖 通背拳
　　29、 牛春明 太极剑
　　30、 黄胤 猴拳
　　31、 张玉 武贵卿 太极大捋
　　32、 卢嵩高 鸡爪剑镰
　　33、 张子扬 太极剑
　　34、 叶敏之 蒋锡荣 太极定步推手
　　（休息十分种）
上海武术界联谊会武术表演名录

次序号 姓名 名称
35、 永年太极拳社 团体太极拳
　　36、 顾忠兴 醉拳
　　37、 郑启亨 猛虎擒羊拳
　　38、 徐文忠 周凯龙 锁对拳
　　39、 章海琛 双刀
　　40、 王菊蓉 高君珠 对剑
　　41、 徐文忠 六合枪
　　42、 周凯龙 春秋大刀
　　43、 郑启亨 冯祥瑞 八打对拳
　　44、 何金章 洞宾剑
　　45、 张继光 螳螂拳
　　46、 高君珠 蟠龙剑
　　47、 郑启亨 冯祥瑞 单刀拐进枪
　　48、 胡汉平 双钩镰枪
　　49、 蔡鸿祥 何金章 擒拿法
　　50、 顾忠兴 六合刀
　　51、 徐文忠 周凯龙 单刀进枪
　　52、 胡汉平 冯祥瑞 抓打对拳
　　53、 王菊蓉 双剑
　　54、 佟佩云 双钩
　　55、 蔡鸿祥 何金章 华拳对打
　　56、 徐文忠 周凯龙 空手夺枪
　　57、 赵金铎 锁喉枪
　　58、 蔡鸿祥 双枪
　　59、 王菊蓉 佟佩云 拐子进剑
　　60、 宗祥生 童子功
　　61、 马岳梁 快太极拳
　　62、 张玉 太极刀
　　63、 郝湛如 形意盘根
　　64、 高守武 太乙刀
　　65、 褚桂亭 八卦拳
　　66、 赵寿村 张达泉 太极大捋
　　67、 马金标 六合拳
　　68、 田兆麟 太极拳
　　69、 王又民 六合枪
　　70、 刘富成 陈轩辅 月牙铲进枪
　　71、 卢振铎 罗汉拳
　　72、 韩星桥 意拳
　　73、 吴兆荣 流星
　　74、 徐哲东 长拳廿四式
　　75、 马金标 刘富成 对打少林棍
　　76、 高守武 醉拳
　　77、 傅钟文 太极刀
　　78、 王子平 青龙拳
　　79、 华春荣 褚桂亭 对刀
　　80、 王效荣 四路查拳
　　81、 卢振铎 青萍剑
　　82、 王禧奎 褚桂亭 对剑
　　83、 王子平 王又民 剑进枪

[edededed]

Very nice, interesting list!

A few other famous people on it:
32 Lu Songgao (Chicken Claw Sickle Swords)
53 Wang Jurong (Double Swords)
63 Hao Shenru (Xingyi Pangen)
65 Chu Guiting (Baguaquan)
68 Tian Zhaolin (Taijiquan)
72 Han Xingqiao (Yiquan)
77 Fu Zhongwen (Taijidao)
78 Wang Ziping (Qinglongquan)
Etc...

[cdobe]

Nick C,

your teacher was banned here for a good reason. He and his opinions aren't welcome here. Stop using your account to post his stuff. I know it's from him, because you told me that you didn't speak Chinese.
I let this discussion go and did not explicate why your teacher simply cannot be a disciple of Ma's. So do me a favour and let this die too.
Your teacher's post also misrepresents the points I made about Ma Yueliang's fast form. I do have a lot of new evidence that show how Quan You's form actually looked like. So it would be better for you to be quite about it.

CD

[yusuf]

was he banned.. aww..can;t we let him post in btdt so we have someone to poke with a stick...

[Nick C]

cdobe,

Actually the links were found by others, and passed on to Dr Yan and myself. They are not Dr Yan's sites, nor did he publish them - and the translation is correct is it not?

I also never directed the post at you, as I was not aware it was your argument the form was created in the 80's. It is however an argument I have seen many times around the web, hence the interest in a 1954 demonstration of the Wu style fast form.

As for the disciple issue, not that I brought that up AT ALL in MY post, I will happily believe written evidence from Master Ma himself that addresses Dr Yan as one (and the numerous videos and photos that show the same) over others statements to the contrary. The letter is on the web for all to see should you so wish.

Regarding evidence about what Quan You's form looked like, I personally would love to see it. I like to see any and all evidence available on a subject, and from a historical perspective any evidence would be important to Tai Chi in general I think.

Nick C,

your teacher was banned here for a good reason. He and his opinions aren't welcome here. Stop using your account to post his stuff. I know it's from him, because you told me that you didn't speak Chinese.
I let this discussion go and did not explicate why your teacher simply cannot be a disciple of Ma's. So do me a favour and let this die too.
Your teacher's post also misrepresents the points I made about Ma Yueliang's fast form. I do have a lot of new evidence that show how Quan You's form actually looked like. So it would be better for you to be quite about it.

CD

[Bill]

[AllanF]

The Dude！

[Ian]

abides

[Nick C]

Very nice, interesting list!

A few other famous people on it:
32 Lu Songgao (Chicken Claw Sickle Swords)
53 Wang Jurong (Double Swords)
63 Hao Shenru (Xingyi Pangen)
65 Chu Guiting (Baguaquan)
68 Tian Zhaolin (Taijiquan)
72 Han Xingqiao (Yiquan)
77 Fu Zhongwen (Taijidao)
78 Wang Ziping (Qinglongquan)
Etc...

Its also an interesting example of the situation at the time politically with the names that were unable to attend, such as Master DONG ZHONG YI , MASTER JI JIN SHAN , MASTER LI ZUN SI etc

[yusuf]

i can feel the bile rising .. admins/mods.. please..we need a straight jacket, a very small blade and a pot of salt

[mrtoes]

Ohhhhhrr you do not yet understand the way of twenty four soft hand method! We must tie you in straight jacket and make you watch Dr Stephen Yan's push hands video on repeat until you are enlightened!

[bigphatwong]

[qiphlow]

[ShortFormMike]

Nick C,

your teacher was banned here for a good reason. He and his opinions aren't welcome here. Stop using your account to post his stuff. I know it's from him, because you told me that you didn't speak Chinese.

who cares. this is in BTDT of all places too. can you leave Nick alone? stephen yan wasn't banned for posting this type of thing anyway. it was because of a personal back and forth w/ another guy, right? so if Nick doesn't post that kind of stuff i don't see why anyone would have a problem w/ it.