IP/IT/? and actual fighting

[Michael]

Perhaps you should consult with an industry-approved expert for your factory authorized external validation. The experts are where it's at, I-mon. Obey the experts. Then everyone can agree on the bare minimum of what constitutes our reality and there'll be no more pesky controversies interfering with the football matches or coffee enemas.

[I-mon]

I'd just like to state for the record that I don't think that my feeling was anything other than a weird self-created sensory hallucination, but that it was very cool that it could be so convincing and remain convincing, like a palpatory version of an optical illusion.

[GrahamB]

I'd just like to state for the record that I don't think that my feeling was anything other than a weird self-created sensory hallucination, but that it was very cool that it could be so convincing and remain convincing, like a palpatory version of an optical illusion.

The answer is testing. Can you produce unusual force when you hit things or break things? Can you strengthen the body internally to protect yourself? It's still not conclusive, but it usually either works, or it doesn't.

[I-mon]

I can shoot blue lightning from my forehead motherfucker!

[GrahamB]

Pah. That's external.

[fuga]

I can shoot blue lightning from my...

[GrahamB]

Now that's internal.

[qiphlow]

and the age-old debate rages on...

[kshurika]

Wow, they tried to kill this thread by moving it to BTDT. Yet, the beat goes on. Here, let me try to help keep it going:


If a tree falls in the forest and there is no being nearby that has functional hearing and there are no audio recording devices, does it make a sound?



There, that oughta be good for a few more pages.

[DeusTrismegistus]

Wow, they tried to kill this thread by moving it to BTDT. Yet, the beat goes on. Here, let me try to help keep it going:


If a tree falls in the forest and there is no being nearby that has functional hearing and there are no audio recording devices, does it make a sound?



There, that oughta be good for a few more pages.

Nope. If there is no observer there is no state vector collapse and nothing we could call reality. There is only potentialities that expand into ever greater potentialities.

[kshurika]

Okaaaaaaaaaaay. And?

[cdobe]

Wow, they tried to kill this thread by moving it to BTDT. Yet, the beat goes on. Here, let me try to help keep it going:


If a tree falls in the forest and there is no being nearby that has functional hearing and there are no audio recording devices, does it make a sound?



There, that oughta be good for a few more pages.

I'm a realist, so I go with yes. Sounds are waves that spread through a medium. There's no need for an observer. Using a John Wang format:

A: "I called you last night, but you weren't at home"
B: "You didn't call"
A: "But my friend saw you at the mall at the time I tried to call you"
B: "Yes, I was at the mall"
A: "So you couldn't answer my call"
B: "You didn't call"

[kshurika]

Yes, but no ear drum (or electronic equivalent) to convert waves and air pressure - via the hammer, anvil and stirrup - into electro-chemical nerve transmissions along an auditory nerve into the brain, where it is interpreted by the normal brain as "phone ringing", the schizophrenic brain as "kill all flying tostadas!", or MY brain as "It's ice cream time!".


Please continue.

[Michael]

I'm a realist, so I go with yes. Sounds are waves that spread through a medium. There's no need for an observer. Using a John Wang format:

A: "I called you last night, but you weren't at home"
B: "You didn't call"
A: "But my friend saw you at the mall at the time I tried to call you"
B: "Yes, I was at the mall"
A: "So you couldn't answer my call"
B: "You didn't call"

LOL!!

[Doc Stier]

If a tree falls in the forest and there is no being nearby that has functional hearing and there are no audio recording devices, does it make a sound?

Whatever generates sufficient pressure waves to displace the surrounding air can potentially create sound. Sound is essentially a medium of transmission for the vibrational energy of the pressure waves. But if no one or nothing is present to hear or record the event, thus validating the sound, then it simply remains a manifestation of vibrational energy, IMO.