IP/IT/? and actual fighting

[kshurika]

Okay, I'll bite. Which xing yi is developed to a high level by hitting air?

[strawdog]

Let’s add to that a comment of Tim’s I’d very much like to address; that is that all Kata and Forms are no good

He didn't say that.

So what he basically said is that his stuff isn't that useful for fighting so he stopped doing it.

He didn't say that either.

I would be more than happy to demonstrate what our kata practice with weapons can deliver in a live environment; twin sticks, knife, sword, stick whatever.

Fantastic. Shoot a video and post it on youtube.

[Doc Stier]

I'd consider grappling and wrestling to be one portion of fighting, just as I'd consider striking and kicking to be another.

Agreed. The IMA's I was taught classify the various offensive fighting techniques into four categories, namely ta-fa (striking and kicking techniques), shuai-fa (tripping, sweeping, throwing and projecting techniques), chin-na-fa (joint locking and bone breaking techniques), and tien-hsieh-fa (nerve plexus pressure point attacks and energy storage point attacks).

In the older traditional style IMA form sets, the movement patterns are designed to suggest effective ways in which these types of attacking techniques support, overlap and blend with one another in real combat application.

From this point of view, an initial evasion and defense can create the opportunity for one or more counterstrikes (ta-fa), which in turn can create an opportunity to trip, sweep and throw the enemy (shuai-fa) or seize his limbs in order to apply joint locking and/or bone breaking techniques (chi-na-fa),s which often involves manipulation of nerve plexus points or energy points for sustained control of the enemy's body (tien-hsieh-fa).

This of course is but one simple example of many possibilities in blending the various types of attacking techniques in a mutually supportive manner.

[shawnsegler]

I love where this is going. You can't buy entertainment like this.

S- kicks up feet, cracks beer.

[somatai]

Okay, I'll bite. Which xing yi is developed to a high level by hitting air?

learning to strike with the whole body into the air will develop serious jing. It is not fighting, but building power. Traditional IMA is about building the vehicle, learning to fight is fighting, what is not learned by doing it? However you can build a serious vehicle through solo and movement alone.

[Bodywork]

by shawnsegler on Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:05 pm

I love where this is going. You can't buy entertainment like this.

S- kicks up feet, cracks beer.

I don't think its going....anywhere. It seems everyone agrees that the only way to learn how to fight is to fight.
Other than that it is a bunch of miscommunications and / or rubber necking from passerby's concerning rather surface commentary about or from people who don't know each other or what they do. I'm not interested at all other than my name being brought up. In fact I'm late for training right now.
See ya
Dan

[Dmitri]

Okay, I'll bite. Which xing yi is developed to a high level by hitting air?

learning to strike with the whole body into the air will develop serious jing. It is not fighting, but building power. Traditional IMA is about building the vehicle, learning to fight is fighting, what is not learned by doing it? However you can build a serious vehicle through solo and movement alone.

+42

[Josealb]

Okay, I'll bite. Which xing yi is developed to a high level by hitting air?

learning to strike with the whole body into the air will develop serious jing. It is not fighting, but building power. Traditional IMA is about building the vehicle, learning to fight is fighting, what is not learned by doing it? However you can build a serious vehicle through solo and movement alone.

+42

+1

Seriously. Jing, fine tuned mechanics and power development should always be trained solo. Testing it, is another thing entirely.

"Hitting air" would be misunderstanding it.

[kshurika]

somatai said:

"learning to strike with the whole body into the air will develop serious jing."


kshurika says:

"no it won't."

[Fubo]

Experienced swimmers can generate a great amount of coordinated full body force within the context of their activity. I wonder how much force they could develop for swimming purely by practicing their strokes and body movements in the air.

[kshurika]

I'm going with this answer: none.

[I'lls cappuccino]

ok kskurika how do you develop jing?

[Fubo]

I'm going with this answer: none.

Ditto.

[I'lls cappuccino]

by fubo logic if a man swims in the ocean and fish swim in the ocean the man must be a fish!

[Fubo]

Please re-read what I wrote, as your response makes no sense.